Posted on 01/13/2009 12:28:28 AM PST by unspun
Pray for what?
She has been in places providentially with her brothers and sisters in Christ. Results have followed.
Results such as ____________________ (fill in the blank)
I'm aware of the OT prophecy of God which states the mark of a true prophet. I am also aware that this was a test of God's prophesies and not some false idea of the perfection of the prophets.
No one here is speaking of the perfection of the “prophet”. What we are talking about is the undeniable nature and accuracy of the “predictions”. This woman, like so many others, can drone on and on without saying anything meaningful as far as a true prophet is concerned.
She a simply good self-promoter (“prophet to the nations”??) that is able to sucker in the crowd. All she has to do is say “the Lord spoke to me” and folks are automatically to believer her. Why is that?
We are in a new covenant, when we are to live by the heart (Sermon on the Mount) and not the skin and the law.
That’s a poor excuse for letting these modern day “prophets” slide on their “predictions”. If you had used it with the apostles they would have laughed at you.
As Jesus referred, even the least in the Kingdom of God is greater than the greatest OT prophet
So that means we ought to do a better job, not use it as an excuse for the vagueness and inarticulate drivel that comes out of the mouth of folks like Cindy Jacobs.
and it is demonstrable that we have a more intimate kind of relationship with the Holy Spirit, even when we don't hear right, even when we do.
With all due respect to you, this woman’s babbling is no evidence of anything, except she knows how to work the crowds.
Just....wow..... Thanks for that amazing confirmation. Indeed we are in for some horrific times.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears
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The absurd, irrational craziness of asserting that the I COR 13 “perfect” has come is easily trashed . . .
knowledge has not passed away—but as prophecied . . . has mushroomed and spread far and wide in increasing proportions, more and more broadly.
The only rational conclusion is that the PERFECT CHRIST has not come again bodily to set up His perfect Kingdom.
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Also The Psalmist says God’s Word is perfect . . . so the perfect was added to? So, now we have it MORE perfect?
Sounds like some of OThuga’s comrades being more equal than others. Animal Farm indeed.
So, I’m curious . . . in the last year . . . in say 45-50 sermons . . . or 90 to 100 or if 3 times a week, more . . .
your pastor has NEVER said a single word or phrase and adjusted, clarified, refined his meaning afterwards
WITHOUT
you standing up in the middle of the sermon and calling him to task on it?
How about in the last 2 years? 3? 5?
Fascinating.
ROTFLOL.
Thanks.
Agreed.
A Freeper insisted that W was doing what he could to thwart the globalists and still stay alive to do whatever good he could. The Freeper sounded convincingly in the know.
Eternity will tell.
God have mercy on such a hostile-to-what-God-is-doing perspective.
However, the thread bump is appreciated.
BTW, to whatever degree
Binny Hinn, Cindy Jacobs, Rick Joyner et al
may be off base, self-centered, flakey, askew, UnBiblical etc.
God will thoroughly cleanse them and/or
clean their clocks and/or
remove them from the scene wholesale
in His ways and timing.
My own perspective is that He HAS put all of them through several refiner’s fires and some have come out better than others.
Certainly their humility has increased, on the whole—some more than others.
And, imho, their sensing and hearing has improved as well. There’s not near as much mixture with their flesh’s perspectives as was initially.
God is not finished with them yet any more than He is with the Calvinist naysayers.
He is their task master. He is their Boss.
I’m happy to prayerfully discern what they offer and receive whatever God would have me receive from it.
There’s not a single pastor on the planet who offers sermons any purer in Holy Spirit wisdom and anointing than they do—that I’ve ever heard or heard of.
It’s conceivable that Oswald Chambers would and even that Billy Graham could technically qualify. However, Graham sticks wholesale very close to the simple Gospel and that alone. Hard to go askew with that.
However, get much beyond that and certainly into anything about these obviously END TIMES . . . and perfection gets infinitely challenging.
However, rock throwing is such an addictive, compulsive occupation. I’m keenly acquainted with it from my own such efforts in the past.
It’s also extremely spiritually hazardous.
Lord, God, forgive the naysayers.
They obviously know not what they do.
Did you know that you can get an Associate Degree in Prophetic Ministry from a place called Christian International Ministry Training College in Florida. That’s where “Dr.” Cindy Jacobs allegedly obtained a Doctorate of Divinity.
I wonder how she would do on a test in Greek and Hebrew, English Bible, and Church history?
I certainly support going to the parties concerned.
I doubt the naysayers have much of a clue about Cindy or any of the rest of their degree, quantity and quality of Bible study.
Well, I would say that her use of Psalm 44 as I indicated earlier set a pretty low bar.
"We believe in one God, eternal and self existent, self-revealed and manifested to man as Father, Son and Holy Ghost."
Does that language sound intentionally vague?
I wonder how she would do on a test in Greek and Hebrew, English Bible, and Church history?
I'm guessing not to "expert" level. At least it's not a $50 ordination.
Here’s an interesting statement in their catalogue:
It is the ministry protocol of Christian International Ministries Network/Christian International Family Church that we do not allow unauthorized, unsupervised or unrecorded prophetic words anywhere on the premises or outside of the building by any of our students to students or to any one else. Please do not attempt to prophetically counsel, prophetically pray with or give prophetic words to anyone else whether they are students, visitors or conference attendees. Ministering prophetically outside of class activations or Friday night prophetic ministry will be only permitted with MTC leadership support and supervision.If you get a “prophetic word” from the Lord about someone, how can it be unauthorized?
And this course sounds interesting:
APS100 Prophets and Personal Prophecy - Understanding personal prophecy and the purpose for the prophetic today is covered in this course. Students have the opportunity to learn about the prophetic as they experience activating their prophetic gift.
I guess you just have to be careful not to practice what you have learned.
It sounds like a form of modalism.
Google is a wonderful thing.
Does that language sound intentionally vague?It sounds like a form of modalism.
Which might help explain why it's been so hard to get a straight answer.
When you have modern “prophets”, old tested formulations become passé. What’s a Trinitarian anyway, and why is it important when you have been divinely tasked as the “prophet to the nations” to go around praying that God would wake up?
Sure is. Here’s another lulu.
Welcome to the International Coalition of Apostles (ICA)!This scam is worked by one C. Peter Wagner, Presiding Apostle.ICA is currently the largest professional society of apostles known with nearly 500 apostles as active members who pay dues, attend an annual meeting, connect with each other, and provide mutual support and accountability.
I wonder if Peter and Paul realized they needed a professional, dues-paying society to be effective.
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