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Well, according to Wikipedia, "On November 6, 2007, Grassley announced an investigation of televangelists Benny Hinn, Paula White, Eddie L. Long, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, and Kenneth Copeland by the United States Senate Committee on Finance."

I don't see any names on that list that I would call "conservative" or "evangelical", but that's just me.

1 posted on 01/05/2009 12:17:28 PM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

no mention of the bash back attack on a michigan church?

http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/11/10/13335/904


2 posted on 01/05/2009 12:30:18 PM PST by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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Agreed...Half of these so called “ministries” are nothing more than giant scams that take people’s dollars in the name of “Jesus”..but line the pockets of the “shepards” doing the preaching.

The Lord and Savior I worship didn’t live a life of greed and excess like these false prophets do.


3 posted on 01/05/2009 12:30:40 PM PST by HawkeyeRepublican
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"...makes publishing the Bible illegal because it contains anti-homosexual passages."

Doesn't the Koran also contain like passages? As well as passages calling for the beheading of non-Muslims?

4 posted on 01/05/2009 12:34:42 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Ronald Reagan had a vision of America. Barack Obama has a vision of Barack Obama.)
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It was a great year for Mormon bashing too!


5 posted on 01/05/2009 12:35:32 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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INSTANCE #4: Colorado Law Criminalizes the Bible

SB200, a Colorado state bill recently signed into law, criminalizes the Bible. Section 8 of the bill entitled "Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden" makes publishing the Bible illegal because it contains anti-homosexual passages. This is part of a larger effort to criminalize the expression of certain opinions and beliefs.

That's not gonna fly with the First Amendment. And if that doesn't work ... there's always the one after it.

6 posted on 01/05/2009 12:41:22 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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I’ve started noticing that some people are getting arrested in this country for preaching the gospel. It first started in Las Vegas, a recent incident in Florida.

I’ll need to bmflr...


7 posted on 01/05/2009 12:42:14 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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Only two glaring problems. Not bad, far lower paranoia than usual.

1. Obama not being a “true Christian” isn’t Christian bashing. It’s just him personally having a warped idea of what Christianity is.

2. Grassley demanded the documents in 2007, not 2008. In 2008 Grassley praised Hinn’s cooperation, not exactly Christian bashing.


8 posted on 01/05/2009 12:42:29 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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pro-Prop 8 signs being taken, people verbally and physically assaulted, church property and private automobiles vandalized, and person's jobs and pastor's lives threatened

Why, we saw worse than that on video: an elderly woman knocked off her feet and a cross trampled upon by a pro-gay demonstrator.

On the other hand, these are mostly anecdotal. The worst assault on Christianity is less dramatic: it is in the idea taking legal root, that all public expressions of Christianity are verboten. At this point it is tentative and legalistic: privately funded expressions are treated a bit better, jumbled religious messages are tolerated abit better (Christ + Rudolph the Rednose has a better chance of surviving the ACLU thugs than Christ alone, etc.) But the future isn't bright.

10 posted on 01/05/2009 12:58:52 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Obama is no Christian. He held his grandmother's memorial (the SECOND one, the one held specifically for Obama after the election) at a Unitarian church.

Read Obama's own comments on religion and the upbringing he got from his mother:

2004 Interview: Obama Talks about Jesus, Heaven and Sin (June 3, 2008)

“OBAMA: Right. Jesus is a historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.”

Obama: “There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.”

GG: You don’t believe that?

OBAMA: I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham#Religion Religion

A “friend” from high school has said that Dunham “touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue.”[6] Maya Soetoro-Ng, when asked if her mother was an atheist, said, “I wouldn't have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books — the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching — and wanted us to recognise that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.”[19] “Jesus, she felt, was a wonderful example. But she felt that a lot of Christians behaved in un-Christian ways.”[20]

In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father Barack Obama wrote, “My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism.”[21] In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, “I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known.”[22] Religion for her was “just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives,” Obama wrote.[20] In 2007 Obama described his mother as “a Christian from Kansas.” “I was raised by my mother,” he continued. “So, I’ve always been a Christian.”[23][24] Also in 2007, he said in a speech, “My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution.”[1]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-5,00.html

“Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population, but Obama’s household was not religious. ‘My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew,’ Obama said in a 2007 speech. ‘But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution. And as a consequence, so did I.’”

I'm going to need to see a baptismal certificate to believe this man was ever a Christian. Certainly he was NOT raised as one by an agnostic mother or non-practicing muslim fathers.

11 posted on 01/05/2009 1:14:57 PM PST by weegee (Obamunism, just another word for the policies of a NeoCom.)
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I can’t believe they didn’t mention that guy who went into the Church and shot up a bunch of worshipers.


13 posted on 01/05/2009 1:22:32 PM PST by snowboarding conservative
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I suppose all the Christian bashing doesn't bother me, at all. If nothing else, I rejoice in it.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness " Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Corinthians 4:9 For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. 11 To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless; 12 and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; 13 when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now.

14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I exhort you, be imitators of me.


AND, I sorta expect it. 2 Timothy 3:12 Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

Sure, I get that initial tinge of "OUCH! That's just wrong and they are bashing my beliefs!" But, then I get over it and say, "Oh, well, I don't need their approval to love and worship... God will sustain me."

I'm actually sort of bothered that there is a Anti-Defamation committee set up by Christians.
17 posted on 01/05/2009 1:56:29 PM PST by raynearhood ("I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels" -John Calvin)
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said Dr. Gary Cass, Chairman and CEO of CADC. "Anti-Christian bigotry is real and growing. Those who engage in it should be exposed and called to account."

*sigh* No they shouldn't.
18 posted on 01/05/2009 1:58:34 PM PST by raynearhood ("I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels" -John Calvin)
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I’m very sorry to say, and I agree: Some have titled them the “Health, wealth and joy boys!”
Others have said, If we are to all be so wealthy etc. then Jesus, Paul and the other apostles missed out!”
We are taught in 1 Timothy 6:6; “But godliness with contentment is great gain.”


20 posted on 01/05/2009 2:40:07 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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What about the group of young Christians who got attacked and the girls sexually assaulted by homosexuals in San Francisco?


23 posted on 01/05/2009 3:35:04 PM PST by kaehurowing
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"And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
 
--George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

25 posted on 01/05/2009 6:17:54 PM PST by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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bump for later read


26 posted on 01/05/2009 6:19:42 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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It is time for the Christian bashing to stop and for Christians to no longer be treated like second-class citizens

No.

It isn't time.

Yet.

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. (2 Timothy 3:12-13 KJV)

27 posted on 01/05/2009 8:21:18 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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I wonder why there is absolutely nothing being mentioned in the media about the latest on the investigation of the attack on Sarah Palin’s Church...


29 posted on 01/11/2009 1:08:14 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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