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Is the Bible God's Word? (Do you believe the Bible is the only word of God?)
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html ^ | Ahmed Deedat

Posted on 01/04/2009 8:07:31 PM PST by Stourme

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To: Stourme

I’m a King James Bible Only Christian. Never found another Bible to top it.

And no I don’t feel like debating anything. I’m just stating what I believe.


41 posted on 01/04/2009 9:27:22 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: Stourme

Again, it doesn’t matter. If the article has a title, use it.


42 posted on 01/04/2009 9:28:48 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Stourme
Evangelicals...should probably avoid going there.

Figure the odds that's going to happen. LOL! I suspect it won't be long before the battles break out on this thread. :o)

43 posted on 01/04/2009 9:32:21 PM PST by NRA2BFree (We've got more snow since Albore invented global warming than we've had for the last two decades.)
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To: Salvation
Protestants removed more than just the books listed in your excerpt. Lines here and there and at least two additional books.

That's one of the points that the author makes. By what authority are they deciding what is from God and what is not? By their (People who change the Bible) own actions they are rendering the Bible -not Holy, because they change it repeatedly.

In other words these so called scholars don't have any right to change anything in the Bible. Nor have they ever had any right to... but they did and continue to.
44 posted on 01/04/2009 9:34:40 PM PST by Stourme
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To: Stourme
You're welcome. And it's one of the reasons that any doctrine of Christianity claims "their Bible is the RIGHT one" is simply wrong. The "orthodox" strains - Catholic and Greek/Eastern - have different Canons for the Old Testament, which is also different from the Canon of Judaism. You can read more about the development of the Canons here.

And don't forget that the "universal" Old Testament (that common to all branches of Christianity and Judaism) actually refer to books that aren't included in the Canons of any of the branches!

45 posted on 01/04/2009 9:42:14 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: NRA2BFree
Figure the odds that's going to happen. LOL! I suspect it won't be long before the battles break out on this thread. :o)

:D Oh yea. Some warning shots have already been fired.
46 posted on 01/04/2009 9:44:44 PM PST by Stourme
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To: Stourme
In other words these so called scholars don't have any right to change anything in the Bible. Nor have they ever had any right to... but they did and continue to.

By what right did the Church set the Canon in 393? And why did they choose a different Canon than that of the Jews (for the Old Testament that Jesus used), and different than that of the Greek Orthodox Church?

And in fact, even the Jewish tradition at the time of Jesus had different Canons, depending upon which branch of Judaism you belonged to. Which one of these was truly correct, and the foundation for Jesus' teachings?

When branches elevate their Bible above others, or one translation above another, they are in fact making the Bible the object of their worship, rather than the God Incarnate that inspired it.

We'd do well to remember Moses and the golden calf...

47 posted on 01/04/2009 9:49:08 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Stourme

The Buck of Esther? My non-apocryphal Holy Bible has the Book of Esther in it.

Jesus is the Word of God. The Holy Bible is the Word of God in written form. However man revises the Scripture, the true Word of God will negate any errors made by either revisionists or printers. That which is false will not prosper. God gave us cognitive powers, and we are to use them in seeking His guidance in Holy Scripture.


48 posted on 01/04/2009 9:50:27 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Patrick1
The Bible is the inspired word of God and is without error in the way to salvation.

Amen! God merely spoke, and the world came into being. Well, God spoke again another time, and the Bible came into being. The Bible is God’s Word – God spoke, and the Bible is what He said.

In 2 Timothy 3:16, it says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…”

The phrase “given by inspiration of God,” is one word in the Greek text. It is the word theopneustos, which means "God-breathed." Theopneustos is a compound word, with theo the Greek word for God, attached to the word pneustos which means “wind, or spirit, or breath.”

So, this verse literally says that all scripture is “God-breathed.” Therefore, all Scripture is God’s breath, or God’s spirit.

When the human authors like Moses, or David, or Isaiah, or Paul, wrote Scripture – that Scripture was God’s inspired Word. These men were guided in such a way that what they wrote was exactly what God wanted them to write. God actually spoke through them so that the result was a book that was really written by God. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.” It is “God-breathed.”

49 posted on 01/04/2009 9:57:03 PM PST by NRA2BFree (We've got more snow since Albore invented global warming than we've had for the last two decades.)
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To: skr
The Buck of Esther? My non-apocryphal Holy Bible has the Book of Esther in it.

I'm pretty sure the author just made a typo. :)
50 posted on 01/04/2009 9:59:07 PM PST by Stourme
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To: mc6809e
The Bible is a collection of books written and assembled by man.

That's exactly what it is....

51 posted on 01/04/2009 10:01:39 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If youÂ’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Stourme

Perhaps we can defuse some of the rancor by addressing not how the Word of God may have been changed or misinterpreted, but rather addressing how the very languages It has been expressed in has changed over time. As an example the word “Bald” appears numerous times in the Old Testament of several different translations. At the time the King James version was written the word meant “white”, not hairless. How else might changes to the meanings of the words used affect our understanding?


52 posted on 01/04/2009 10:06:25 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Stourme
:D Oh yea. Some warning shots have already been fired.

I noticed. LOL! I'm ducking out of here. :o)

53 posted on 01/04/2009 10:06:37 PM PST by NRA2BFree (We've got more snow since Albore invented global warming than we've had for the last two decades.)
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To: Salvation
Protestants removed more than just the books listed in your excerpt. Lines here and there and at least two additional books.

You mean the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price?

55 posted on 01/04/2009 10:10:08 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
By what right did the Church set the Canon in 393? And why did they choose a different Canon than that of the Jews (for the Old Testament that Jesus used), and different than that of the Greek Orthodox Church?

And there's the 800lb gorilla. They didn't have a right or authority to choose any canon at any time. Had they been righteous men, they would have kept ALL the scrolls and ALL the writing of the prophets.

But they didn't. They only kept the writings that supported their view points. Like Martin Luther, who had at one point removed the book of James from his version of the Bible. Because the book of James didn't support his view of saved only by faith.

And in fact, even the Jewish tradition at the time of Jesus had different Canons, depending upon which branch of Judaism you belonged to. Which one of these was truly correct, and the foundation for Jesus' teachings?

Very good point. We should have ALL of them to study from.

When branches elevate their Bible above others, or one translation above another, they are in fact making the Bible the object of their worship, rather than the God Incarnate that inspired it.

I've been saying this for years. People, in their zeal, deify the Bible and worship it instead of God.

I understand that people want to show devotion and loyalty to God. But it's important to keep a proper perspective on what is an instrument of learning versus deity.
56 posted on 01/04/2009 10:10:56 PM PST by Stourme
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To: Stourme

I believe it is the word of God, but it is not always to be taken literally.

For example, many people believe that John was not to be taken literally in much of what he wrote.

Such as Revelations.


57 posted on 01/04/2009 10:16:34 PM PST by nobama999
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For example, many people believe that John was not to be taken literally in much of what he wrote. Such as Revelations

Revelations?

John didn't write "Revelations".

58 posted on 01/04/2009 10:20:11 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

LOL


59 posted on 01/04/2009 10:22:18 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Stourme
FYI to all, I posted this article because it makes some very valid points about 'christianity' as a whole.

With Islam spreading through out the world, we may all find ourselves trying to explain why our scripture is scripture.

And learning about what the opposition has to say, isn't a bad thing.
60 posted on 01/04/2009 10:25:35 PM PST by Stourme
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