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To: big'ol_freeper
His statement, treat the sinner, who has rejected the Church, like a Gentile is a reference to Jewish practice towards Gentiles at the time,

You're wrong, of course...Jesus told the apostles NOT to preach to Gentiles...There wasn't a Gentile in the bunch when Jesus made the reference to Gentiles...Hence, no Catholic church...

99 posted on 01/01/2009 11:51:58 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

I would answer your post if it were anywhere near related to the point I was making....alas it isn’t.


101 posted on 01/02/2009 4:58:12 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: Iscool; big'ol_freeper

You wrote:

“You’re wrong, of course...Jesus told the apostles NOT to preach to Gentiles...There wasn’t a Gentile in the bunch when Jesus made the reference to Gentiles...Hence, no Catholic church...”

Your comment makes no sense. Jesus was speaking to Jewish Apostles. It was perfectly appropriate to use a reference to Gentiles as an example of how to avoid people since every Jew would know what Jesus meant. The existence of the Catholic Church, however, is not dependent upon the participation, membership or even the existence of Gentiles. If Christ had founded a Church that was NEVER to seek out Gentile converts it would still be the Catholic Church in that it would be the true Church. It just wouldn’t be exactly as we know it today.

Also your point that “Jesus told the apostles NOT to preach to Gentiles...” is nonsensical in the way you appear to be using it. Yes, Jesus told the Apostles not to preach to the Gentiles in Matthew 10. But that was to fulfill prophecy.

Acts 13:40-42 “Beware therefore, lest that come on you which is spoken in the prophets: ‘Behold, you scoffers, and wonder, and perish; for I work a work in your days, a work which you will in no way believe, if one declares it to you.’ “ So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.”

It was only after the Resurrection that the Apostles were sent to the Gentiles as well by Jesus’ command: Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:16.

The Catholic Church has always known this, of course, and teaches it:

CCC 543 Everyone is called to enter the kingdom. First announced to the children of Israel, this messianic kingdom is intended to accept men of all nations.251 To enter it, one must first accept Jesus’ word: “The word of the Lord is compared to a seed which is sown in a field; those who hear it with faith and are numbered among the little flock of Christ have truly received the kingdom. Then, by its own power, the seed sprouts and grows until the harvest.” 252
(252 LG 5; cf. Mk 4:14, 26-29; Lk 12:32.)


106 posted on 01/02/2009 8:33:18 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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