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To: Jvette
It was God's choice that Mary should share in the redemptive nature of Jesus' life.

This is the line that I object to. Mary was the means by which God was made incarnate. But Mary had absolutely nothing to do with our redemption beyond that. To say otherwise is to take away from what God alone accomplished. Quote to me any Scripture that says otherwise.

153 posted on 01/05/2009 9:27:27 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

Yes, Jesus alone was able to open the gates heaven, but we must take the steps that lead us through those gates. Mary was needed, God could not accomplish the incarnation on His own, He is God, not human and though He could have created a human body for Jesus, it would not have been the same as the conception. You are wrong here my FRiend. Mary’s fiat was needed just as ours is.

I think that the confusion is in that some people believe that merely by His life, death and resurrection, Jesus saves all, but if you read carefully, you see that Jesus only makes it possible, we must accept that gift. Mary accepted Jesus even before she knew the fullness of His glory and His mission.

This doctrine does not take away from God. He chose not to accomplish this alone, HE chose to be born of woman. I did not make this choice, you did not make this choice, God did. Why then would He be diminished in any way by our veneration of the woman who said yes to both Jesus’ birth and His death. Remember, Jesus was not alone at His death. His mother was with Him. Remember in her own words, Our Blessed Mother says she magnifies Him. What could that mean other than through her eyes we see Him as He wanted as truly man and truly God?


155 posted on 01/06/2009 7:43:06 AM PST by Jvette
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To: LiteKeeper

The entire New Testament is about how we share in the redemptive nature of Jesus. St. Paul speaks of how they reconcile us to God. Jesus tells the disciples to go out into the world spreading the good news and baptizing others. St. Paul declares that we must finish Jesus’ work, begun with His Incarnation.

While it is certainly true that without Jesus, none of it is possible. While it is certainly true that God at any time could just open the heavens and reveal Himself to all ensuring that every knee will bend to Him, that is not how God chose to redeem us. He has asked us to share in Jesus’ mission. Every time we love someone though we would rather not, every time we help someone, though we don’t really have the means, every time we forgive someone who has deeply injured us, every time we give Him praise and Glory, every time we reach out to Him in prayer, we are sharing in the redemptive work of Jesus.


156 posted on 01/06/2009 7:54:24 AM PST by Jvette
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