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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“You trust Paul in Chap three but NOT in chapter seven???”

I trust him in both chapter and all chapters. I agree with him on all doctrinal points. You don’t. He taught that we cooperate with God. Do you agree with him or not? Let me guess. You’re not going to even touch on that subject, right? You’re going to skip over it like you never lost on that point even though you did.

“In seven he says the law is the moral law...The Ten Commandments...And here is clarification...”

And he only supports what I have been saying all along:

“Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”

See? Those who participate in the ceremonial law - that’s the body of Mosaic Law in question.

“Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

And no one here - not you, nor me - is claiming to be justified by the law, any law.

I was right all along and everything St. Paul said just backs up everything I’ve said on this issue. The Mosaic Law is of no avail in salvation for a Christian. And I know of no Catholic who claims otherwise. You’ll probably ignore that AGAIN. Just like you ignored the FACT that the Bible says - more than once - that we must cooperate with God.

“The WHOLE law, inclusive...If you think you are justified by doing something, you are fallen from grace...Simple as that...”

And who here thinks they are justified by anything they do? Not me. Are you claiming that you believe that? I certainly have never believed it. Of course, like so many anti-Catholics, you’ll probably just ignore the fact I said that and blithely go one claiming or insinuating otherwise. That’s what you’ve done so far.

“You pick a single verse out of one chapter...And try to use that for your doctrine and dogma”

No. I focused on a verse that destroyed your claims and arguments. You can’t do that to me or my arguments because I agree entirely with the Bible whereas you apparently don’t.

“That’s not the way you study scripture...Compare scripture with scripture and you will get God’s interpretation...”

Which you apparently can’t get because you ignore those verses that disagree with your sectarian views. A great example of that is where you say the Bible doesn’t teach me must cooperate with God, when in fact the Bible says the exact opposite in 1 Cor. 3:9 and 2 Cor. 6:1.

“Hey, I just noticed something very telling, maybe...Look at dogma spelled backwards...AM GOD...Very interesting...”

What is very interesting is how you studiously avoided the verses that prove we must cooperate with God.


129 posted on 01/03/2009 4:48:09 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
What is very interesting is how you studiously avoided the verses that prove we must cooperate with God.

Use a bible word and I can discuss it...COOPERATE is not in my NT and it occurs only once in the Catholic DR NT...

My text says I 'labor' with God (not cooperate) as an already saved Christian...I don't take it out of context to mean I labor or 'cooperate' with God in attaining salvation...Again, you misinterpret the scripture and you change words to achieve that goal...

Like right now, I labor with God to lead you to the truth...And it ain't easy...

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if you bite and devour one another: take heed you be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the spirit: and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh: For these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest: which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,
Gal 5:21 Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.

These have to do with Morality...THE MORAL LAW...

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity,
Gal 5:23 Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified their flesh, with the vices and concupiscences.

Moral, Ceremonial and Social laws combined...

This is just a little more evidence the the Law is all encompassing...How many scriptures do you want???

130 posted on 01/03/2009 5:51:56 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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