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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“That’s not what the scriptures say...Why don’t you believe the scriptures???”

I do believe the scriptures. You’ll prove it for me when you fail to answer this question: Where in scripture does it say that there are two Christian gospels taught by Christ?

The answer of course is that scripture nowhere teaches that there are two Christian gospels taught by Christ. NOWHERE. There is THE Gospel and false gospels - like Protestantism.

“The first one for example...The Gospel of the Kindgom of Heaven...Jesus never mentioned to these people the death, buriel and Resurrection of Himself...That gospel had nothing to do with the Crucifixion...”

That is not a separate Gospel, but merely part of the Gospel.

“And in that gospel Jesus certainly did not teach the gospel of Grace...”

He did not teach that aspect of it at that time and in that place. That doesn’t make a separate Gospel. That is merely another aspect of the ONE Gospel. One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.

“Those people were still under the Law...And Paul say whosoever will live by the law, ARE NOT UNDER GRACE, but will ultimately be judged by the Law...And that’s where you guys are at...”

No. We are the people Christ and the Church gave the Gospel too, while you’re just a sectarian following a gospel created by a constipated German monk in the 16th century. The truth hurts doesn’t it?

“However, you make the claim of having Grace but Paul says there is no Grace when you live under the Law...”

We don’t live under the Mosaic Law. We’re Christians, not Jews before Christ.

“You guys are all waiting for the judgement to see if you were good enough for Heaven...That puts you under the Law...”

No. Only Jews and Judaizers are under the Law. We are orthodox Christians. We obey God and yes it matters for as Paul says we must remember obedience in faith.

“You think YOU can do something to merit Heaven...”

No, actually we don’t. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary I suggest you don’t bear false witness like that.

“Like getting baptized...Like eating Jesus’ flesh...Like doing the sacraments...That’s all under the Law...And if you insist on claiming salvation on any other thing than faith (alone), you will be judged by faith in Jesus (NOT your church) and your good works...”

One Lord, One Faith, AND ONE BAPTISM. The sacraments are gifts from God. You hate those gifts, obviously. Pity.

“Christians under the Gospel of Grace have already been judged and found to be Righteous...”

We were redeemed. You were too. Clearly, however, you are not living a life of grace for you deny God’s gifts. Too bad. I’ll pray for you. As long as you’re alive there’s still hope for you.

You need to study the scriptures. Even Paul points out that there are different aspects to the ONE Gospel. Look at 2 Tim 1:10-2:8

“but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

Notice Paul said mentions that Christ was the Savior who brings immortality to people?

“And of this gospel I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher.”

Notice how in the very next verse Paul says that this is the gospel was to preach?

“Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained.”

And a few verses later, Paul mentions that Jesus was descendent from a man and was raised from the dead.

In just a few verses Paul sums up much of the gospel message: Jesus is the Christ, the Savior, who died and was resurected and through Him we can be immortal.

You really need to study scripture and give up these fantasies about multiple Gospels from God. There’s one Lord, and ONE Gospel.


123 posted on 01/02/2009 11:36:27 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
He did not teach that aspect of it at that time and in that place. That doesn’t make a separate Gospel. That is merely another aspect of the ONE Gospel.Ha!...Under one aspect of the gospel then, people come to Jesus from signs and miracles, if they do good works...Under another aspect of the gospel, a later group of people come to Jesus thru faith by grace...

Sorry, it's the same Jesus but a different gospel...

In the first gospel. there is no plan for the Curcifixion...Jesus came to the Jews as the Messiah to set up a physical Kindgom on earth...

In the second gospel, Jesus was Crucified and Grace was given that ALL could be saved, thru faith into a Spiritual Kingdom...

No. Only Jews and Judaizers are under the Law.

Not correct...Any one who choses to live under the law, is under the law...Includes Gentiles as well...

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

If you are doing ANYTHING to get to Heaven, you are under the law...And if you're under the law, that's how you will be judged...

Not all are saved the save way...Not all are judged the same way...

124 posted on 01/03/2009 6:23:39 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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