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To: annalex
That was the argument although Paul stated that he did not baptize very many and that he was sent to preach not to baptize. Paul actually said that he preached with the power of the Holy Spirit. Do you think that he preached about baptism? If you will notice in Acts Peter preached Christ crucified, what was the response to that? The Holy Spirit pricked their hearts and convicted them of their sin.

Acts 2:36-38 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter preached the Holy Spirit brought conviction then Peter said repent be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit.

Without conviction and repentance their can not be the baptism of water and Spirit.

How many do you know followed that prescribed order?

47 posted on 01/01/2009 12:05:23 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Definitely, baptism is connected to penance. What is your point? We all agree that penance is salvific as well, no?


48 posted on 01/01/2009 1:58:15 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: guitarplayer1953; annalex

***Peter preached the Holy Spirit brought conviction then Peter said repent be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit.

Without conviction and repentance their can not be the baptism of water and Spirit.

How many do you know followed that prescribed order? ***

We do know by reading that Cornelius the Gentile was given the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was baptized. Peter even asked his fellows if they could forbid Cornelius to be baptized, and later had to defend his actions before the elders at Jerusalem.

Look at what point in Peter’s address that the Holy Spirit fell.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

This one act throws all the baptismal demands for salvation into a cocked hat.


59 posted on 01/01/2009 2:08:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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