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To: guitarplayer1953

Definitely, baptism is connected to penance. What is your point? We all agree that penance is salvific as well, no?


48 posted on 01/01/2009 1:58:15 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Definitely, baptism is connected to penance. What is your point? We all agree that penance is salvific as well, no?

No...Pennance is not salvific...Repentance is salvific...Pennance is works...Repentance is faith...

No one in the scripture ever got saved with baptism alone...People do however, get saved with Repentance, alone...

49 posted on 01/01/2009 6:31:05 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: annalex

The point of the question asked was what does born again mean and it involves repentance. Therefore baptizing people who have not repented is a baptism in vain. Repentance is a changing of ones ways, and the only way one can truly change is through the power of the Holy Spirit in the new birth. The changing does not save one so as you said penance is salvific our actions do not save us it is the grace of God by the power of the Holy Spiritand the new birth. If one could work their way into heaven then there would be no need for the work of the Cross and the sacrifice of the true Lamb of God.


60 posted on 01/01/2009 2:49:00 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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