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To: LeonardFMason

“The Lord Jesus Christ, the SON OF GOD, makes it clear that Spiritual Relationships are preeminent and supersede ANY familial relationship.”

Indeed so. As John the Baptist said at Matt. 3:10, God was able to raise up children to Abraham from the stones.

Mary is treated with respect in Scripture, not worshiped or prayed to, or spoken of as interceding and certainly not treated as “Mother of God”.


20 posted on 12/30/2008 10:55:39 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; LeonardFMason
"Mary is treated with respect in Scripture, not worshiped or prayed to, or spoken of as interceding and certainly not treated as “Mother of God”.

First, as regards Mary being "worshiped" I will repeat what I said on post #9: If any Catholics are worshiping the Virgin Mary, they've got a problem. We do highly honor her though.

Secondly, as regards Mary being "prayed to", with the word "pray" being understood in the context of "requesting" or "interceding", the Scriptures say in James 5:16 "For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much." I don't think anyone would doubt that the Blessed Virgin Mary was just.

Thirdly, as regards Mary "interceding," we do see in Scripture that she does, in John 2:3,4; "And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." NB the confidence she has that her "prayer" or "request" will be heeded, she doesn't even wait for an answer from our Lord but confidently tells the waiters "Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." From this verse we Catholics get our confidence in her intercession.

Finally, as regards the Virgin Mary being referred to as the "Mother of God", the Scriptures tell us indeed she is, in Luke Ch. 1 Elizabeth under the influence of the Holy Spirit proclaims it; Lk 1: 41-43 "And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:  And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

23 posted on 12/31/2008 12:50:32 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: count-your-change; annalex
Mary is treated with respect in Scripture, not worshiped or prayed to, or spoken of as interceding

Likely you believe in intercessory prayer. What is lost, again, in Protestantism is the original true meaning of the Communion of Saints.

24 posted on 12/31/2008 12:52:24 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: count-your-change
and certainly not treated as “Mother of God”.

Time for you to brush up on Scripture.

"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43

60 posted on 12/31/2008 7:31:46 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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