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To: Iscool
Among other things??? That's it???

Yeah that's it. For someone who cannot understand "Eat my body/drink my blood", there is no way we're going to agree on the Holy Spirit, what He does and Who He resides in. So I'm not even going to go down that road.

Catholics believe ALL scripture. We do not pick and choose those that fit our preconceived notions, or the notions of Luther, Calvin, or Smith. We belong to the Church founded almost 2000 years ago by Jesus Himself, which He said He would be with until the end of the world.

And in view of that, a conversation with you about Holy Scirpture is impossible...

Yeah, you are probably right about that. When you get to a passage that does not fit your idea of what Jesus should be, you ignore it, throw it out, try to explain it away, change the subject, and finally, say it's impossible!

You were the one that wanted the scriptural basis of the Eucharist; I gave it to you; you don't accept it. But it's still there.

Since you want to bring Peter into it, (the first Pope!) I'll leave you with his words:

2nd Peter 1:20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.

2nd Peter 3:14-18: Therefore, beloved, since you await these things, be eager to be found without spot or blemish before him, at peace. And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability. But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory now and to the day of eternity.

So you believe that each individual non-Catholic Christian that has been "born again" is uniquely inspired by the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture in their own way... some say drinking is immoral, while others say it is fine if not to excess; some say homosexual behavior is wrong, others say it is not; some say abortion is wrong, others not. Are they not, as born again Christians, all claiming the unerring Word of God for their authority? How can they believe different things about it? Why did Jesus spend 3 years preaching and teaching if we can believe whatever we want?

And the one Church that Jesus founded is the only one that has lost it's way! It put the New Testament together, copied it down through the ages, but until Luther came along, there was no true Christian people? Jesus was a liar then, as He promised at the end of the Gospel of Matthew "and behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age".

88 posted on 01/02/2009 5:09:20 PM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
So you believe that each individual non-Catholic Christian that has been "born again" is uniquely inspired by the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture in their own way... some say drinking is immoral, while others say it is fine if not to excess; some say homosexual behavior is wrong, others say it is not; some say abortion is wrong, others not. Are they not, as born again Christians, all claiming the unerring Word of God for their authority? How can they believe different things about it?

Nope...Those who actually believe every word of the scriptures pretty much agree on everything...Those who don't, change a word here, a sentence there, you know, like the Catholic church does...

Catholics believe ALL scripture.

Sure you do...You just don't know what it says...You just can not discern the spiritual from the literal to the allegorical...Like Eusibius and his mentor said, It's all allegorical, except Eat My Flesh...

You guys think the more intellectual one is the more he knows about scripture...

We do not pick and choose those that fit our preconceived notions,

Of course you do...Your church is founded on a handful of scriptures, taken out of context...

Where the text says keys, you say power...Where it says water, you say baptism...And where it says baptism, you say water...And when it comes to the verse where John says I baptize with water, but HE will baptize with the Holy Ghost, You guys can't even discuss the verse...You don't have a clue...

Where it says millenium, you guys say, a very long time...LOL...Where it says Heaven, you say God...The list is endless...But you believe the scriptures, eh??? Only after you change them...

89 posted on 01/02/2009 10:23:59 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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