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To: Iscool; vladimir998; big'ol_freeper

“Nope...God could make me the owner of the company I work for...God could turn Michigan into an Island Paradise...But He ain’t gonna do it...”

Oh? And why would that be and how do you know that? Does your brand of sola scriptura deny miracles, I?

And God never told you He would turn a cracker into Himself...

But, I, He tells me this every Sunday in a liturgy unchanged for 1700 years, based on a liturgy from the 1st century and completely consistent with the Eucharistic theology of The Church from before 100 AD, more than 200 years before the canon of the NT upon which you base ALL your beliefs was defined...by people who believed EXACTLY what Vlad and b o f and I believe.

Your denial of the Real Presence in the Eucharist has no basis in 2000 years of Christian theology, at least as The Church sees it. You can pound that bible and quote those texts until the cows come home, but you cannot get beyond the historical fact that the Fathers who put that canon together would, were they here today, condemn you as a heretic. I will give you this, the “Lord’s Suppers” and “communions” of the Christian ecclesial groups outside The Church are indeed devoid of the Real Presence. That communion really is just bread and wine...or grape juice.

“And you can’t offer the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ to God...HE OFFERED IT TO YOU...”

Really? And here all along I thought you Westerners worshiped a God Whose wrath was slaked only by the bloody slaughter of His perfectly innocent Son!


42 posted on 12/28/2008 7:52:44 PM PST by Kolokotronis ( Christ is Born! Glorify Him!)
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To: Kolokotronis

That’s gonna’ leave a mark!


43 posted on 12/28/2008 7:55:13 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Kolokotronis

The “Fathers who put the canon together would, were they here today, condemn you as a heretic,” for claiming that the Sun orbited the Earth.


44 posted on 12/28/2008 8:07:43 PM PST by DryFly
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To: Kolokotronis
“And you can’t offer the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ to God...HE OFFERED IT TO YOU...”

Really?

Yes, Really...

I'll post it again...Here are the words and scripture reference you guys use in your Eucharistic prayer:

Priest: In memory of his death and resurrection, we offer you, Father, this life-giving bread, this saving cup. (John 6:51)

Now compare John 6:51 in the scriptures...

Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. (6:52) If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.

And this is from your own Catholic, Saint Jerome...

Jesus gave the Sacrifice...Jesus offered the flesh and blood...Your priests nor your church are involved except in receiving it...You can not offer it to God...He offers it to you...

Now, can you address THAT instead of rambling on about what your church has taught for thousands of years???

49 posted on 12/28/2008 8:28:45 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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