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Multiverse theory fails to explain away God
Institute for Creation Research ^ | Dec. 3, 2008 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 12/25/2008 7:02:01 PM PST by tpanther

'Multiverse' Theory Fails to Explain Away God by Brian Thomas, M.S.

New discoveries continue to reveal the life-friendly properties of our universe, in which physical laws are seemingly fine-tuned to allow life to exist. To get around the appearance of design, secular scientists have to invent naturalistic explanations that exclude the possibility of supernatural origins. The latest of these inventions is “multiverses.”

The force of gravity, the specific masses of subatomic particles, the exact strengths of fundamental physical forces, and the distance of the earth from other galaxies and from the sun are all essential for the delicate balance needed to sustain life. Bernard Carr, cosmologist at Queen Mary University of London, told Discover, “If there is only one universe, you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.”1

The multiverse hypothesis holds that our entire universe is only one of an infinite number of other universes. In this way, all conceivable fundamental construction parameters could exist in a vast array of alternate realities. Most of these imaginary universes would not have the right conditions for life to exist, but by a cosmic coincidence, all the life-friendly forces of our universe happened to line up correctly.

There is no evidence for the existence of alternate universes, and if a concept cannot be proved or disproved, it is not open to scientific investigation. Stanford University visionary physicist Andrei Linde seemed adamant, however, that though this theory is not scientific, it must be true because it is logically necessary. When asked whether physicists will ever be able to prove the multiverse in the absence of any hope for physical confirmation, he told Discover, “Nothing else fits the data.”

What data? ...

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To: tpanther

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 12/25/2008 9:16:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; bdeaner

Excellent post, bdeaner! Thanks for the ping, metmom!


42 posted on 12/25/2008 9:17:21 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: allmost

You might find a book along those lines by Sir Martin Rees titled “Just Six Numbers” to your liking. (Basic Books,2000 Library of Congress#ISBN 0-465-03672-4). It blew me away when I first read it.


43 posted on 12/25/2008 9:21:25 PM PST by pankot
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To: tpanther

“If I knew God I’d be Him.”


44 posted on 12/25/2008 9:24:27 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Coyoteman
Or perhaps life adapted to existing conditions.

". . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for." -- Douglas Adams

45 posted on 12/25/2008 9:31:53 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: pankot

Ugh.. You went way too far..


46 posted on 12/25/2008 9:46:03 PM PST by allmost
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To: NeoConfederate

“Never understood how science can say there is no God because they can’t find any proof...yet they continue to look for life outside Earth, but they can’t find proof of that either!”

Nobody’s funding the ‘look for God’ guys.


47 posted on 12/25/2008 10:18:11 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: NeoConfederate

Now that you mention it, that is a very insightful observation.


48 posted on 12/25/2008 10:34:42 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: pankot

Good books, quite happy thank you. Hope You had a good ChristMass. I still get spellchecked for it...


49 posted on 12/25/2008 11:39:21 PM PST by allmost
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To: tpanther

There is no such thing as a multiverse period!!!!! Save me please, I really like cheese;)...


50 posted on 12/25/2008 11:51:35 PM PST by allmost
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To: tpanther

I had herd that one theologians centuries ago postulated that there were 10 dimensions in the universe because of the ten times that God spoke I AM or let there be. Does any one know how many known dimensions there are in the universe?


51 posted on 12/26/2008 12:07:33 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: metmom
Thank you for the ping.

All these years the fundamental claim by the evos was that because they could not ‘see’ the soul which is what God said He breathed into flesh man that made him living, their theory could not address that dimension. Looks like some have taken a great leap of ‘faith’ in divining a theory upon which their is NO manipulable evidence. And I have been told there is in science the requirement of ‘evidence’ to build a claim I mean theory.

And there is great thundering in the claim that evolution does NOT address ‘bio-genesis’ that hot steaming pot of primordial soup from which their evolutionary tale and tails originated. These people remind me of the Clinton peepers who claimed that Clinton had the great gift of compartmentalization wherein, his public brain never collaborated with his private brain.

52 posted on 12/26/2008 3:21:58 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: theDentist
The purpose of science is not to “explain away God”

It is the purpose of certain pseudo-sciences.

53 posted on 12/26/2008 4:12:01 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: freedumb2003
have at it.

Oh, I think if you look at the responses on this thread...

54 posted on 12/26/2008 8:39:43 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Let me see if I've got this straight:

Yup, this was the main reason I posted this article, as if we really needed another example of godless liberal hypocrisy!

55 posted on 12/26/2008 9:00:52 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The concept of alternate universes has not been shown to be neither provable nor disprovable. The fact that there is currently no evidence for the existence of alternate universes does not rule out the discovery of such evidence in the future.

I continue to hear this apply to evolution too..."just give it more time",etc. etc. etc.

But when it comes to ID...

56 posted on 12/26/2008 9:05:06 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: bdeaner

Great points!


57 posted on 12/26/2008 9:06:11 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
It just goes to show how desperate the evoatheists are to get rid of God. They'll believe stuff that has no evidence to back it up, try to pass it off as science to give it SOME sort of credibility (which really gives science a good name, dontcha know), stretch the truth, ANYTHING but God.

Yup and with a straight face they'll talk about how damaging ID is to science in the same sentence.

58 posted on 12/26/2008 9:11:15 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: NeoConfederate
Never understood how science can say there is no God because they can’t find any proof...yet they continue to look for life outside Earth, but they can’t find proof of that either!

Yup and then they demand there is no God because there's no proof or evidence.

As if that's not bad enough they demand God not be in any public school.

They blather about their endless spearation of church and state lies.

But perhaps their latest & greatest lie is their's is the conservative position!

59 posted on 12/26/2008 9:16:54 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I continue to hear this apply to evolution too..."just give it more time",etc. etc. etc.

But when it comes to ID...

Alternate universes theories are as yet lacking in evidentiary support; the same cannot be said for evolution. As more than one famous biologist has said, the vast quantities of biological knowledge amassed over the last century or so are incomprehensible except from the point of view of (some form of) evolution.

On the other hand, the suggestion that Intelligent Design needs more time is puzzling. That there is just one universe and that it has been designed by an intelligence is a very old and widespread idea. Aside from the Bible, for example, Plato's "Timaeus" gives a quite sophisticated and detailed account of such a universe. Unfortunately, Plato's account was (as even he acknowledged) little more than a "likely story". And from our point of view 2,500 years later, it's not very likely at all.

The default position of the naive human mind seems to be "purposeful agency is responsible for everything that happens". If there's a wind blowing, some purposeful agent blew it; if there's a flood, some purposeful agent sent it; if there are stars in the sky, some purposeful agent placed them there; if there's a universe, some purposeful agent made it. All such stories belong to the childhood of our collective intellect.

60 posted on 12/26/2008 10:08:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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