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To: wombtotomb

Protestantism exists because the Church of Rome became an oppressive political regime and extremely corrupt. Things ebb and flow in this world. There are resurgent Protestant denominations that reject secular liberalism. There are plenty of Catholics that embrace secular liberalism. These groups are not monolithic so trying to generalize too widely is an error.


7 posted on 12/21/2008 6:44:27 PM PST by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Seruzawa
Protestantism exists because the Church of Rome became an oppressive political regime and extremely corrupt.

I'm sure the Eastern Orthodox church could add plenty more on that as well.
9 posted on 12/21/2008 6:48:39 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Seruzawa

not widely generalizing. Catholic church still teaches the same doctrines from the deposit of faith since Christ gave it to Peter. Yes, what is called the accidentals have changed over time, but none of the dogma that made Catholics catholic has. Protestantism has ebbed and flowed in many directions over the 400 years or so it has been around.

There are many Catholics who choose to believe the church should change dogma here or there. This will not happen or it would mean that the gates of hell prevailed against the church, and all faith would be in vain. Either you are right, or scripture is, and I am going to bet on scripture here, no offense.

The catholics who believe in something other than what the church teaches are not going to change it, be it women priests, gay marriage, birth control, abortion, or any other dogma. They are excommunicated by their own action in these instances and need to stop masquerading as catholics, ie, Pelosi, any Kennedy, Biden etc... The Church has begun to make this more clear, as when San Fran Bishop called out Pelosi on abortion this summer, but more needs to be done.

Please know that I approach this issue knowing what the other side thinks and feels. I was born catholic, converted to a fundamentalist Baptist for many years and was vehemently anti catholic during that time. I converted back after a long 8 year study of the Church fathers and the early church. I was actually learning hebrew and greek during the study. I found my answers, Godspeed on finding yours.

I mean no disrespect to any who are protestant, much of my hubby’s family still is, though my hubby converted. They are devout and no doubt in my mind love God. They firmly believe that their faith is correct, as I do. We have learned to agree to disagree. I will not, however, allow those who think they are “liberal Catholics” to get away with the charade. There is no such thing, and we need to call them out on it, whether they like it or not.


15 posted on 12/21/2008 7:00:11 PM PST by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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