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Liberal Protestantism and Liberal Catholicism
InsideCatholic.com ^ | 12/08/08 | David R. Carlin

Posted on 12/21/2008 6:16:18 PM PST by Salvation

Liberal Protestantism and Liberal Catholicism
by David R. Carlin   
12/08/08
 
Catholic liberals (by which I mean theological liberals, not political liberals) never cease to amaze me. On the one hand, they appear to have a sincere devotion to their religion. On the other, they campaign for moral and theological changes that, if carried into effect, would tend to destroy their Church.
 
Why do I say this? Because the history of Protestantism has made it perfectly clear what happens when a Christian church turns liberal or modern. Unless a Catholic is quite unfamiliar with the sad history of liberal Protestantism, he would not call for the theological liberalization or modernization of Catholicism.
 
In America, liberal Protestantism has always had three characteristics: (1) It is an attempt to find a compromise or via media between traditional Christianity and the fashionable anti-Christianity of the day. (2) In seeking this compromise, it drops certain traditional Christian beliefs as so much excess baggage. (3) To atone, so to speak, for this weakening of doctrine, it intensifies its moral commitments.
 
Three great "moments" in the history of American liberal Protestantism illustrate what I mean here. The first was the emergence of Unitarianism in the first quarter of the 19th century. The fashionable anti-Christianity of the day was Deism -- as found, for instance, in one of the writings of Tom Paine (The Age of Reason). So Unitarianism, in pursuit of a via media, dropped the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, Original Sin, and a few other Christian doctrines. To make up for these discards, it strongly committed itself to the anti-slavery cause.
 
The second moment was the emergence of Modernism at the close of the 19th century and the opening of the 20th, at a time when the fashionable form of anti-Christianity was Agnosticism (e.g., Herbert Spencer and Thomas Henry Huxley in England, and, in the United States, that skeptical windbag Robert Ingersoll). Modernistic Protestantism did not, like the earlier Unitarians, openly reject traditional doctrines so much as it affirmed its beliefs in these doctrines in an equivocal way. For instance, your modernistic Protestant would claim to believe in the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, the Resurrection, etc.; but when you carefully examined what he meant by these beliefs, you would find that he didn't really hold them at all. Instead, he believed in something else, but he twisted the meaning of the traditional Christian phrases so that they would apply to his new and very non-traditional beliefs. (Many liberal Protestants --Marcus Borg, for example -- do the same thing today.) To make up for this casting off of doctrine, the modernist had a strong commitment to the "social gospel."
 
The third moment was the response to the Sexual Revolution in the 1960s and 1970s. This Revolution was the then-fashionable form of anti-Christianity, and it remains the fashion today. Liberal Protestantism, searching as ever for a via media, gave its conditional blessing to premarital sex, unmarried cohabitation, abortion, homosexuality, and -- more recently -- same-sex marriage. I say "conditional" because, instead of giving a blanket endorsement to these practices, as anti-Christians did, liberal Protestantism said it would endorse them only when those undertaking them did so in a thoughtful, prayerful, and loving way. In this third moment, the intensification of moral commitments no longer has to do with corollaries of Christian morality -- as in the earlier cases of abolitionism and social justice -- but with a strong commitment to elements of an anti-Christian sexual morality.
 
 
Liberal Protestants of any one generation have always said something like this: "We'll discard elements A, B, and C of traditional Christianity, but no more; we'll stop there." But the next generation says: "If our parents could drop ABC, we'll drop DEF -- but we'll stop there." Of course, it never stops. Once the "right to drop" is embraced, eventually everything will be dropped.
 
For the better part of 200 years, then, liberal Protestantism has been emptying itself of Christian content. First it got rid of Christian doctrinal content; more recently it has got rid of Christian moral content. Of course the liberals will claim that they have got rid of the inessential "over-beliefs" of Christianity and have boiled the religion down to its essential content, namely love of neighbor. That this love of neighbor largely consists of tolerating and encouraging what Christianity has always counted as serious sin is a reductio ad absurdum of that claim.
 
Who can be surprised, then, that the Protestant denominations that have been seriously infected with liberalism (the so-called "mainline churches") are rapidly declining in numbers, not just in relation to the national population generally but even in absolute numbers?
 
And who can be surprised that American Catholicism, many of whose members turned in a theologically liberal direction after Vatican II, is also declining? The Catholic decline, to be sure, is masked by the sloppy way in which American Catholicism counts its members. You're counted as a Catholic if you were baptized Catholic. That means that millions and millions of people are counted as Catholic who are quite indifferent, and in many cases downright hostile, to Catholicism. If, more realistically, we count as Catholic only those who continue to be somewhat serious about the religion -- for example, by going to church once a week -- we'll see that there has been a steep decline.
 
Those Catholics who are not ignorant of the history of liberal Protestantism cannot, if they are honest with themselves, favor the theological liberalization of Catholicism. But, of course, some historically well-informed people are not honest with themselves, while vast numbers of Catholics -- including many Catholic priests and more than a few Catholic bishops -- are immensely ignorant of the history of liberal Protestantism. And so Catholicism in America continues to slide downhill.
 


David R. Carlin is the author of The Decline and Fall of the Catholic Church in America.


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To: incredulous joe

**I hope he will be surprised when true Christians rise up together and speak with one voice.**

I’ll put a fervent “Amen” to that hopeful thought/prayer.

(Christians CAN unite against him. I think he will be shocked.)


21 posted on 12/21/2008 7:25:35 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Old Sarge

Good point. And I can see it happening.


22 posted on 12/21/2008 7:26:55 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: spikeytx86

I’m a Catholic. My wife is a non-practicing Methodist, she attends church with us.

I’ve read a lot of the position statements of mainline Protestant churches and a good many of them seem strongly pro-life, but they leave a bit of space for wiggle room amongst their congregants. It seems that the congregants take this wiggle room to have no opinion on the matter.

I live in a rural area and God bless the local Methodists are strongly pro-life, as is my church.


23 posted on 12/21/2008 7:29:47 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: Salvation

Fisrs topportunity to punch back will be 2 days after the Inaugural at the March for Life in DC.

Would love to see ALL my brothers and sisters in Christ there, too.


24 posted on 12/21/2008 7:33:10 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: briarbey b

I marvel at Christ’s answer to Pilot-that His kingdom was not of this world. And we must remember that the true Church is made up of people from all nations, and all languages, and that there are those in the church that do not know Christ at all.

When anyone in any Church says wrong is okay, its just Satan saying its okay to eat the apple, you won’t die. There is nothing new under the sun. The Bible is quite clear on the abominations that God hates.


25 posted on 12/21/2008 7:44:13 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: huldah1776
huldah1776 you are the church....a living stone. Christ warned those who are his...what came against him would come against us. Politics and Religion conspired to kill him...not his sheep...not those who will hear the voice of their shepherd and no other. It is the voice of the false shepherds you hear going up in this land...and many are following them to destruction.
26 posted on 12/21/2008 7:56:17 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: wombtotomb
In this world of political correctness gone awry, I thank God the church is moving, albeit slowly, back to its core and correcting the misconceptions and poor catechesis stemming from Vatican 2.

This is a touch off topic for the thread, but I read somewhere that after any and all councils, for about 50 years, chaos and insanity happens. We're in the last seven years of that and things are gradually going back to the way they should be. The Church hasn't changed, and sadly enough the humanity of the men in it hasn't either. Man is still prone to sin and without proper guidance will sin.

I've been thinking about the falling away recently as so many of my childhood friends have. It's more out of apathy than anything else. That's a personal decision. And, yes, right now the larger culture is playing a huge role.

27 posted on 12/21/2008 7:58:54 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: randomhero97; All

That’s why people need to question the religions of men. There is no question about God and Jesus Christ, however.
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They won’t. Mankind will seek to be godly by submitting itself to external rules and regulations, and by conformity to behavior patterns imposed upon them by their particular Christian society..”which they have chosen” hope to be found “acceptable.”

They will in this way perpetuate the pagan habit of practicing religion in the energy of the “flesh,” and in the very pursuit of righteousness commit idolatry in honoring...”Christianity”..MORE than CHRIST!!


28 posted on 12/21/2008 8:06:37 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: Salvation
“only CINOs did.”

Yes too many CINO’s voted Obama. But that also could stand for Conservatives in name only. Obviously way to many of those voted for bHo too.

29 posted on 12/21/2008 8:11:09 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: spikeytx86
I am currently “In between churches”

At least in the population centers of Texas there are options. Do you prefer formal/high church or informal/low church?

30 posted on 12/21/2008 8:17:57 PM PST by PAR35
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To: incredulous joe
“I hope he will be surprised when true Christians rise up together and speak with one voice.”

Why would that happen? It is obvious that far too many not only voted for him, but stayed home to ignore another choice.

McCain was a choice like many Christians, including Catholics make in their religious life. Yes you don't like some of what the church's teachings, laws and rules are, but you still follow them because that is part of what you agreed to when you joined.

So voting for Obama was reprehensible, but not voting for the only other possible winner was too!

31 posted on 12/21/2008 8:21:26 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: incredulous joe
That's the thing. Many (if not most) Methodist churches are excellent, it's the governing body of the Methodist Faith that is the problem (at least to me).

I am sure other mainline churches like the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is are the same way, it's the hierarchy that sit in their HQ’s and go over spreadsheets and editorials and think to themselves “well maybe if we change this or deemphasize this or discard that we will get more members or be seen as more modern” that I see as the problem.

32 posted on 12/21/2008 8:31:24 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: briarbey b

Well put.


33 posted on 12/21/2008 8:32:37 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PAR35

True. Lubbock has many choices, and Houston and DFW has just about every denomination you could imagine. I am sure it’s the same in San Antonio and Austin too.

I would say I prefer a high church option. When I lived in Houston a few years back I attended a Methodist Church that preformed Communion and I absolutely loved it.

That is one of the main reasons I am really leaning towards the Missouri Synod denomination of Lutheranism at this point.


34 posted on 12/21/2008 8:36:37 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: JSteff

I said “hope”, I can’t actually say for certain.

If FOCA is the first legislative issue out of the box ~ I don’t think it will be ~ I should hope that Christians and conservatives would speak out. It’s more likely that Obama would appoint a radical to the Supreme Court and the candidate’s radical positions would simply be glossed over by the media.

I don’t buy that reprehensible for “voting for the only other possible winner” stuff. If you feel that strongly about it I don’t take issue with it.

I voted for the candidates who fell in line on most of my issues and would be most supportive of our troops in harms way.


35 posted on 12/21/2008 8:44:35 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: wombtotomb
Well Said.

There are many things I admire and appreciate about the Catholic Church, but I could never join the church due to some very deeply held beliefs I have that conflict with Catholic Church Teachings.

But I certainly respect Catholics and the Catholic Faith, and I greatly admired Pope John Paul the II. I don't get the fervent anti-catholic beliefs and demonizing of the pope that some fundamentalist Protestants hold.

36 posted on 12/21/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

I know some of those “modern Evangelicals”, I believe they will die on the vine.

My local Methodist church is very pro-life and very nicely ecumenical, just a few block from my church, but I susspect that issues are treated differently as one moves into metropolitan areas.

What I have seen on Anglican and Lutheran websites would seem to indicate that they are pro-life. However there seems to be a lack of a singular and authoritative voice on some of the social issues. I don’t have this problem with the Catholic Church, though a few of it’s clergy and a number of it members might take issue with these teachings.

I can pretty much quote them chapter and verse (or I can find a position in the catechism of the Church). If a priest or a religious or spiritual director tries to mislead in my church I can point them to the correct teaching, courtesy of the Magesterium.


37 posted on 12/21/2008 8:56:58 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: spikeytx86

That would seem to be a good place to start. I was looking, but couldn’t find any Anglican churches up there yet.

I’d recommend Providence Presbyterian (PCA) www.providencepca.org for its theology, but I don’t know anything about its style, so I have no idea if it would be a good fit for you. My guess is that you would find it too informal.


38 posted on 12/21/2008 9:02:50 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Thanks for the tip! I will explore there website and visit the church.


39 posted on 12/21/2008 9:15:13 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Salvation

Ping to respond to later


40 posted on 12/21/2008 9:41:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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