WE CAN KNOW THE DAY and the Hour

Bible Prophecy Corner ^ | 12/15/08 | Marilyn Agee

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WE CAN KNOW THE DAY

"THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK... SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE" THAT'S CHESHVAN 17

JESUS SAID, "TAKE YE HEED: BEHOLD, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23)

I'm no prophet, but it now seems that Jesus himself gave us the last clue we need a long time ago. It's so plain in Matthew 24, I don't know why I didn't get it before this. I knew it was in Scripture, but I looked everywhere but the right place, in plain view. I should have known that in plain view was the best place to hide something. What threw me off was Mt. 24:36, where Jesus said, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man". After so many reminded me of that so many times, I skimmed over what followed it.

Look what he said in verse 42: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.

In case we missed it, he even repeated it. in verse 44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.

That means that in between verses 36 and 44, Jesus revealed the DAY, Cheshvan 17, "THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK." The wise virgins are not in the dark as to the DAY, just the hour. The foolish virgins don't know the day or the hour. Jesus put the day in plain view. I have read it over and over without realizing that in verses 42 and 44, he didn't say DAY AND HOUR, only HOUR (hora).

Mt. 24:32-45 (KJV) says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God', Luke 21:31) is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the Raptures, as in Rev. 3:8, 4:1). Verily (amen, so be it, firm, trustworthy) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., those born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things (i.e., both Raptures) be fulfilled."

It looks like the 2nd Rapture will be in 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776). The 1st Rapture will be 7 years before that, i.e., in 5769. This year started on Tishri 1, 5769 (Sept. 30, 2008). I thought the 1st Rapture would be that day, but I had something else to learn, and that is found in this passage of Scripture. Read on.

Continuing in Mt. 24, the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. Then (tote, at the same time, i.e., on Cheshvan 17, 5769; November 15, 2008) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR (hora) as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in DUE SEASON (kairos, set time)?"

Lev 26:2-4 says, "Ye shall keep my SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I WILL GIVE YOU RAIN IN DUE SEASON, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees (i.e., nations) of the field (i.e., world) shall yield their FRUIT."

We are called a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."

Cheshvan 17, 5769 (Nov. 15, 2008) is on Saturday, the Sabbath. It looks like we will go to Shabbatai (Saturn, the 3rd Heaven; II Cor. 12:2, and the 7th planet) on Shabbat (the 7th day).

IN MARK, THE PORTER DOESN'T KNOW THE HOUR, BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY

Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time (kairos, set time, due time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. WATCH YE THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." At even, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning is describing the hour. The porter already knows the day.

THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND RAPTURE

Luke 17:28-30 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky as the Day of God's Wrath begins. He will be sitting on his throne, because the judgment will be made at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth. Again, we can figure out the day, but not the hour. There will be a Solar Eclipse a little past 6 PM on our previous day, when this Jewish day starts. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). It can't be later than 2015, because 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015.

The Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age. It could not be later than 1967, because that was the last year 19-year-old Israel could be called young.

That day, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, seems locked in place. The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of 1967. It couldn't be later than that, because Israel was 19, the last year her branch (klados, a young tender shoot, broken off for grafting) could be considered tender (apalos, soft, tender, i.e., young). A generation from that year is the end of the age. The longest we can count as a generation is 48 years (Mt. 1:17). 1967 + 48 = 2015.

[thatjoeguy]

Actually that has not been proven by any means. Early church fathers all had a post tribulation position and THAT has been proven multiple times and is still evident today (not like any of them can change their minds now anyway) :).

The history of the pre-trib doctrine can clearly be traced back to a Morgan Edwards book in 1788, then in the early 1800s to Edward Irving from 1825-1832 where he first began teaching this ‘secret’ rapture. Darby only picked it up shortly after that and was refuted in writings from notables such as Samuel P. Tregelles (1813/1875) in 1855 and William Kelly (1811/1888) also around that time who both clearly identified the ‘Irvingites’ as those that first brought forth this doctrine.

Even after a 20 year search of early church writers, Grant Jeffrey failed to produce one actual true example of support for a secret rapture. Shamefully he did take about a half dozen quotes out of context as proof but these were quickly and embarrassingly disproved.

JB

[Uri’el-2012]

The history of the pre-trib doctrine can clearly be traced back to a Morgan Edwards book in 1788,

The first person who formulated this eschatology was a Jesuit named Ribera in 1591AD. He interpreted the book of Revelation suggesting an end-time personal antichrist, a rebuilt Babylon and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem at the end of the Christian Era.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

[Quix]

Thanks for your input. Your research sounds reasonably solid.

However, I remain convinced that key aspects of that perspective were operant in the first 100-300 years of the church.

thatjoeguy—I agree about the wall.

[Uri’el-2012]

Thanks for your input. Your research sounds reasonably solid.

However, I remain convinced that key aspects of that perspective were operant in the first 100-300 years of the church.

I agree with you, that it is first century belief.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

[Quix]

thx BIG

LUB

NIGHT NIGHT

[thatjoeguy]

Thanks, I was a firm believer of the pre-trib doctrine its what I grew up with and all I knew. When it was first challenged in a article I was reading a few years ago, I was stunned. So I set out to prove and defend it, within a short time though I started to have my doubts about the pre-trib rapture and those doubts eventually gave way to the realization that its not true. I spent nearly a year of research on it, (being unemployed then I had lots of time) I’ve read thousands of pages worth of early church writers (mainly the 80-250AD era), and have yet to find any hint of it.

I honestly feel its one of Satan’s tactics to put the average christian at ease. Why study and prepare yourself if your not going to be there for the final exam.

Also look at it this way, if the tribulation did start and the warning went out, how many christians would simply not believe it because they are still here?

Jesus told us to watch, but then why watch when your expecting Jesus to come get you?

Sorry, but the more I look at it now the less it makes sense.
JB

[thatjoeguy]

Do you mean Manuel Lacunza who wrote “The Coming of the Messiah”? After a quick search I couldn’t find anything on Ribera except that he was a noted painter. :)

Manuel’s, who was a Jesuit priest, two volume work was translated by E. Irving in 1827 and had somewhat of your description I believe. I’ve not read the translation yet although I have copies (maybe I should start).

There is also the ramblings of a girl named Margaret or something like that as well in like 1814 or somewhere around there. I’ve read the written account of her ‘visions’ but to me their inconclusive.

JB

[guitarplayer1953]

Wow so the wall was part of all the buildings? Now this is not some

vain glorious PERSONAL interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps of your imaginations or some cheeky opinion?

[Quix]

i THINK I understand your perspective.

Thanks for your candor.

I don’t think anyone has it all figured out.

Personally, I suspect there may be more than one ‘catching away.’

I think God has some surprises in store for all of us and certainly for the enemy.

[Uri’el-2012]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=origin+of+dispensationalism+jesuit&btnG=Search

[thatjoeguy]

“Wow so the wall was part of all the buildings? Now this is not some vain glorious PERSONAL interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps of your imaginations or some cheeky opinion?”

Sorry, actually my position was that it was not part of the buildings. It is pretty obvious they were talking about the buildings and how they looked and that is what Jesus was talking about too.

I might of sent the reply to the wrong person.
:)
JB

[thatjoeguy]

Ah thanks but that’s just another article claiming the same thing. But it helps, I’ll do some research and see if I can’t scare up some of Ribera’s writings (translated I hope :) ) and go from there. I knew of M. Lacunza as I’d mentioned but not of Ribera.

Cool, now I have something else to look up. Its kind of a fun hobby of mine.
JB

[thatjoeguy]

I agree, its pretty clear that the understanding of the end times is still not so clear but, as we get closer I believe more and more will be understood.

One thing I’ve come up with lately is the feeling as I study, that I don’t think the tribulation (the full 7 years as its generally called) is going to come in with a bang like so many think. Other then Daniel giving an indication of its beginning all other prophecies point to the middle as to what to watch for. I find that interesting to say the least.

Also, this adds to the point I mentioned earlier that, if few are truly watching and most don’t believe they’re even going to be here anyway and on top of that it doesn’t ‘start’ like everyone thinks its supposed how will the news of its commencement be taken?

I know that’s alot but look back at Christ’s first coming as an example. The OT is full of the prophecies pointing to (among other things) the virgin birth, the city of his birth, His miracles, and so on and so on and the very people who were supposed to be watching first of all didn’t ‘get it’ and second of all thought he was a heretic and successfully had Him killed.

To me that speaks volumes.
JB

[Quix]

I think

your points are well stated and well taken.

My 55% bias or whatever is that we are likely to know when the 7 years begins because the AC will become widely known at that time. I think before he’s widely known—particularly in a role as a world leader—then I think we’re not yet in the real thing.

However, the BIRTH PANGS are likely to be dramatic enough . . .

Some quiet fierce believers hereon believe we may already be at least on the door-step if not in the vestibule of the Tribulation.

THERE WILL BE a CATCHING AWAY/RAPTURE . . . whatever that is and whenever it is.

A lot of the naysayers about that seem to try and dismiss the whole thing wholesale. Not Biblical.

[thatjoeguy]

Hey there, I had gone to that link you supplied (thanks again) and found something interesting. The first link I came to had the information about Ribera which was nice (still gonna look into that for referencing in the future) but what I found interesting was that the article also claimed that the seven year trib was also a false doctrine and that it is never mentioned in early church writings. Knowing personally that it was taught/written about in early church writings I shot the author an email about that giving both Irenaeus and Hippolytus as examples of cases where it was talked about.

That’s the first I’d heard about that one. Just curious what you thought.
JB

[Quix]

agreed.

STILL having horrific computer problems. Not sure when it will be bootable again . . . [after 20+ tries at reformatting, reinstalling etc]

much less online.

God’s best to all who love Him.

[thatjoeguy]

“STILL having horrific computer problems. Not sure when it will be bootable again . . . [after 20+ tries at reformatting, reinstalling etc]”

Off Topic sorry, but have you checked your hardware and memory? If you’ve wiped your HD and you still have problems you’ve probably got a hardware issue.

HTH
JB

[Quix]

GATEWAY TECH SUPPORT CONCLUDED THE SAME THING.

Sending a new motherboard which should be here Wed.

Thanks for your kind reply.

[thewrestlingfanatic]

Wait Marylin Agee again hasn’t she predicted this several times and it never came to pass.

[thewrestlingfanatic]

Wait Marylin Agee again hasn’t she predicted this several times and it never came to pass.