Posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:45 PM PST by STD
WE CAN KNOW THE DAY
"THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK... SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE" THAT'S CHESHVAN 17
JESUS SAID, "TAKE YE HEED: BEHOLD, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23)
I'm no prophet, but it now seems that Jesus himself gave us the last clue we need a long time ago. It's so plain in Matthew 24, I don't know why I didn't get it before this. I knew it was in Scripture, but I looked everywhere but the right place, in plain view. I should have known that in plain view was the best place to hide something. What threw me off was Mt. 24:36, where Jesus said, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man". After so many reminded me of that so many times, I skimmed over what followed it.
Look what he said in verse 42: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.
In case we missed it, he even repeated it. in verse 44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.
That means that in between verses 36 and 44, Jesus revealed the DAY, Cheshvan 17, "THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK." The wise virgins are not in the dark as to the DAY, just the hour. The foolish virgins don't know the day or the hour. Jesus put the day in plain view. I have read it over and over without realizing that in verses 42 and 44, he didn't say DAY AND HOUR, only HOUR (hora).
Mt. 24:32-45 (KJV) says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God', Luke 21:31) is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the Raptures, as in Rev. 3:8, 4:1). Verily (amen, so be it, firm, trustworthy) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., those born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things (i.e., both Raptures) be fulfilled."
It looks like the 2nd Rapture will be in 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776). The 1st Rapture will be 7 years before that, i.e., in 5769. This year started on Tishri 1, 5769 (Sept. 30, 2008). I thought the 1st Rapture would be that day, but I had something else to learn, and that is found in this passage of Scripture. Read on.
Continuing in Mt. 24, the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. Then (tote, at the same time, i.e., on Cheshvan 17, 5769; November 15, 2008) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR (hora) as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in DUE SEASON (kairos, set time)?"
Lev 26:2-4 says, "Ye shall keep my SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I WILL GIVE YOU RAIN IN DUE SEASON, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees (i.e., nations) of the field (i.e., world) shall yield their FRUIT."
We are called a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."
Cheshvan 17, 5769 (Nov. 15, 2008) is on Saturday, the Sabbath. It looks like we will go to Shabbatai (Saturn, the 3rd Heaven; II Cor. 12:2, and the 7th planet) on Shabbat (the 7th day).
IN MARK, THE PORTER DOESN'T KNOW THE HOUR, BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY
Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time (kairos, set time, due time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. WATCH YE THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." At even, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning is describing the hour. The porter already knows the day.
THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND RAPTURE
Luke 17:28-30 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."
The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky as the Day of God's Wrath begins. He will be sitting on his throne, because the judgment will be made at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth. Again, we can figure out the day, but not the hour. There will be a Solar Eclipse a little past 6 PM on our previous day, when this Jewish day starts. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). It can't be later than 2015, because 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015.
The Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age. It could not be later than 1967, because that was the last year 19-year-old Israel could be called young.
That day, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, seems locked in place. The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of 1967. It couldn't be later than that, because Israel was 19, the last year her branch (klados, a young tender shoot, broken off for grafting) could be considered tender (apalos, soft, tender, i.e., young). A generation from that year is the end of the age. The longest we can count as a generation is 48 years (Mt. 1:17). 1967 + 48 = 2015.
Let's not insult the real prophets who lived in fear of losing their lives if their words proved wrong.
What these folks are doing is guessing, pure and simple. As Woody Allen would say, "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham."
"Sham prophecies" for short.
Try to stick to the Bible. That should make it short and sweet.
As you may have been told already (don’t know, didn’t read the whole thread), you need to be careful here how you take “day” in Scripture.
No one knows the day or the hour - in this context, the term “day” is our usual 24 hour period.
The day that Noah entered the ark - in this context, the term “day” is to be understood as meaning our usual day, but that “day” is in the middle of an indeterminate amount of time. The exact “day” is impossible to determine, as before in the same verse it says “in the days of Noah”, meaning in the age of Noah. An indeterminate period of time, as in an “age”. eg. “In the days of Bush”.
In all these phrases we can see that it isn’t a specific date referenced, rather a period of time that isn’t defined by a specific amount of hours.
Why must this be the correct exegetical approach?
Because if not, then the passage that states, “No one knows the day or the hour, but my Father in heaven” would have to mean that the Father only had an idea of when his Son would return, and not an actual day in mind. (In other words, the reverse of the exegetical treatment above).
That would be the only way to make the passage “On the day Noah entered the Ark” mean a specific day; to switch the literal with the allegorical in the two passages in question would be to directly contradict not only Matt 24:36 but also Mark 13:32 where Jesus repeats the phrase “neither the DAY or the hour”.
He said of THE TEMPLE.
He did NOT say,
of THE TEMPLE
AND
THE PLATFORM IT’S BUILT ON.
100% UNTRUE.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that
Prophecy HAS ceased.
When that which is perfect comes . . . HIS OVERT REIGN . . .
LOTS of things will be done away with.
WHERE does this preterist REPLACEMENTARIAN proclivity to throw buckets of rocks at END TIMES SCRIPTURES come from? It certainly does NOT come from the Word of God.
All it said was “BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE.”
A crummy commercial!
Can't count the number of people I hear this from...
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
Who was it that taught you NOT to look for the return of Jesus???
You missed my point. I never said not to look for the return of Jesus. I used to listen to a lot of religious radio until I realized how much air time and emphasis was spent on the Anti-Christ, the Tribulation, etc. People seemed more obsessed with that one subject than learning about all aspects of Christian doctrine and salvation. I guess sensationalism sells more than just newspapers. Most people who ever lived or will ever live will not be present at the moment the 2nd Coming happens. Interesting subject, but why OBSESS over it?
I don't know anyone that's obsessed over it...But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...
Ok, I’ll bite. Lets see the research on the 23 year period.
JB
LOL, now that is an excellent point!
JB
But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...
Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.
Eph 5:27
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot , or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
KJV
2 Peter 3:12-14
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot , and blameless.
KJV
There are so many disputes over the rapture doctrine pre, post, mid, etc. I remember asking the Lord about the rapture years ago when I was new Christian and the Holy Spirit spoke the parable of the of the ten virgins to my heart, as saying, “always be prepared & ready and you will never miss it. Be wise, always looking to me.” As we draw near to Him He will make us ready and fill us with the oil of His Spirit. The same is true with His coming. If we keep our eyes fixed upon Him, He will make us ready, and make known to us His times and seasons. I believe there is an urgency in His followers that the time is near and that it is time to prepare our vessels and receive His harvest.
Matt 25:1-13
25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins , which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
KJV
Is not the west wall part of the temple?
"In Christ I stand all other ground is sinking sand"
Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.
Agape Love to All of You Sisters and Brothers in Jesus
No longer was there any exclusive official office in the Judeo-Christian family for a "Prophet" as there had been for the Jewish leaders of Israel and Judah. No mortal man will be "the Prophet" holding the office as the sloe prophet leading the way.
INDEED.
Part of the hill—platform built up to build the TEMPLE ON.
Is all of the mountain part of NORAD?
Is the bedrock under the towers part of Golden Gate Bridge?
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