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1 posted on 12/12/2008 6:48:14 AM PST by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 12/12/2008 6:49:08 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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>>Parishioner Toddy Kehoe told the Citizen, “Is that all they have to think about? I don’t see the Catholic Church as doing loving things.

“I don’t see them as the caring community they should be. It isn’t whether you stand or kneel.”<<

If Our Lord Jesus Christ appeared right there standing on the Altar, how concerned would this dude be about “community”?

Well He is there. Right there, on the Altar. Apparently, this man has no clue about that.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 6:52:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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Prendergast had informed his priests of the change last August, and said “a number” were not happy about it. Some expressed concerns that the archdiocesan liturgical commission was not consulted.

It's about time that bishops started showing their priests who's in charge!

8 posted on 12/12/2008 7:07:05 AM PST by pgkdan
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Others have objected to being told what to do, though the Citizen had trouble finding people to comment publicly.

Translation: we had to hunt everywhere we could think of for days and days to find Toddy Kehoe, who hasn't been to church in years.

Comment: If you don't like being told what to do, Toddy my boy,

You'll fit right in!

9 posted on 12/12/2008 7:07:36 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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I have been attending the Trinidine Mass on Sundays.

No shorts, no flip-flops, no shaking hands, no kids running around and eating, no laypersons distributing Holy Communion.

Just an hour of celebration and worship of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as I remember it.

What a joy!


11 posted on 12/12/2008 7:09:54 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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On the one hand, these changes are so infinitesimally small, one would have to be a complete lardhead to spend time objecting to them.

On the other hand, one has to really wonder about Church Fathers who spend even one second of their day pondering such things, while at the same time you look around the world and (pardon the expression) Rome is Burning!

15 posted on 12/12/2008 7:26:25 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Just a question for my Catholic friends on FR: When kneeling is ‘required’ as part of the mass, are those who have knee problems or problems getting back up from the a kneeling position exempted? (I assume so, but was just curious as to whether my assumption was correct.)


22 posted on 12/12/2008 8:00:12 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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I attended Mass at the Cathedral in the Sault Ste. Marie Diocese on the 33rd Sunday in Ordinary Time, and we knelt as the article describes, so I guess some dioceses in Canada are ahead of the others.

It was less kneeling than I am used to at my home parish in the Saginaw Diocese in Michigan, but it is the posture agreed upon by the Canadian bishops, so fine by me.


32 posted on 12/12/2008 8:59:15 AM PST by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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Interesting controversy. For what its worth, which is likely plenty, the 20th Canon of the 1st Ecumenical Council at Nicea states:

“On the Lord’s Day and at Pentecost all must pray standing and not kneeling.”

Radical, left wing, disrespectful notion from 325 AD. :)


35 posted on 12/12/2008 11:59:29 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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Isn't there something rather symbolic about refusing to "bend the knee" before Jesus truly present?

Could we say this is something of a metaphor for the attitude of many to not only Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament but also His Church? A metaphor for the refusal to accept Catholic teaching and dogma?

A symbol of pride perhaps? Rebellion? Kneeling is the position of the supplicant......the humble man.

50 posted on 12/12/2008 1:08:52 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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If it isn’t whether you stand or kneel, then you would not want to create a big stink about being asked to kneel, now would you?

And he is right, it is NOT about whether you stand or kneel - it is whether you will worship the Lord God Almighty in accordance with the leadership He has lovingly given to you as a loving father-figure with authority, aka your bishop.


52 posted on 12/12/2008 1:49:31 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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If it isn’t about whether you stand or kneel, then why have so many parishes chosen to demonstrate defiance by arbitrarily deciding to stand in defiance of long-held practice and norm that everyone was happily following?

I was in a parish where we were forced to stand instead of kneel. First we were scolded as being so stupid and immature that we knelt, then we were threatened that we were being disobedient and sinful by kneeling in accordance with Church law but in defiance of the local priest. Then we ignored that, the preist would scold us DURING THE CONSECRATION demanding that we stand.

And if it isn’t about whether we stand or kneel, why was my family scolded for kneeling during the consecration (in accordance with Church law but apparently in defiance of the unbekwnonst-to-us “law” of the local priest) when we went to a small daily Mass in a new town (where we lived temporarily)?

Sure. Its not about whether we stand or kneel.


53 posted on 12/12/2008 2:11:24 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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