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Is “Thanksgiving” Catholic?
Credo ^ | 11/24/2008 | Taylor Marshall

Posted on 11/24/2008 9:14:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy

This history books will tell you that the first Thanksgiving was celebrated by the pilgrims in 1621. Not true.

An interesting bit of trivia is that the first American Thanksgiving was actually celebrated on September 8, 1565 in St. Augustine, Florida. The Native Americans and Spanish settlers held a feast and the Holy Mass was offered.

A second similar "Thanksgiving" celebration occurred on American soil on April 30, 1598 in Texas when Don Juan de Oñate declared a day of Thanksgiving to be commemorated by the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The Catholic origins of Thanksgiving don’t stop there. Squanto, the beloved hero of Thanksgiving, was the Native American man who mediated between the Puritan Pilgrims and the Native Americans. Squanto had been enslaved by the English but he was freed by Spanish Franciscans. Squanto thus received baptism and became a Catholic. So it was a baptized Catholic Native American who orchestrated what became known as Thanksgiving.

All that being said, Thanksgiving is traditional Protestant and marks the tradition of religious toleration (something in which the Puritan pilgrims did not actually believe - they set up a "theocracy").

My wife once taught at an high-church Episcopalian/Anglican classical school in Philadelphia. The school consciously played down the significance of Thanksgiving. Why? The reason is simple. At root, Thanksgiving commemorates the good fortune of political and ecclesiastical rebels against the Church of England and the Anglican tradition as a whole.

It all started with Richard Clyfton who was a Church of England parson in Nottinghamshire in the early 1600s. Clifton sympathized with the Separatists of that era. Separatists were Calvinistic non-conformists to the doctrine and liturgy of the Church of England. The Hampton Court Conference held by King James I (1604) condemned those who would not conform to the more outwardly Catholic usages in the Church of England (e.g. robes, candles, bowing the head at the name of Christ, processions). The result was that Richard Clyfton was “defrocked” and stripped of his clerical status in the Church of England. Shortly thereafter Richard Clyfton went to Amsterdam and was followed by his disciples: the Pilgrims.

These Pilgrims moved around a bit until finally coming to America in 1620. An interesting bit of trivia is that one child was born on board the Mayflower while at sea. The child was given the rather lame name: “Oceanus”. Poor child.

In 1621, the Pilgrims allegedly celebrated a happy meal with the Native Americans and the rest is history. So why would an Anglican school be against Thanksgiving? It celebrates those who defied the Church of England and the Crown of England.

Now that I’m a no longer an Anglican and now a Catholic, things are a bit different. The penal laws of England regarding non-conformists affected not only the rigorous Calvinistic Puritans in England, but also the English Catholic recusants. The Pilgrims shared the same lot as the Catholic faithful of England. Interestingly enough, the Catholics who lived in Nottinghamshire where the Pilgrims originated were persecuted mercilessly.

So while Thanksgiving may celebrate the Calvinists Separatists who fled England, Catholics might remember the same unjust laws that granted the crown of martyrdom to Thomas More, John Fisher, Edmund Campion, et al. are the same injustices that led the Pilgrims to Plymouth.

Another bit of trivia is that the truly “First Thanksgiving” celebration occurred on American soil on April 30, 1598 in Texas when Don Juan de Oñate declared a day of Thanksgiving to be commemorated by the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

And let everyone remember that “Thanksgiving” in Greek is Eucharistia. Thus, the Body and Blood of Christ is the true “Thanksgiving Meal”.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Mainline Protestant
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1 posted on 11/24/2008 9:14:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Trying to argue over who owns Thanksgiving is a childish sentiment. The holiday of Thanksgiving is neither Catholic nor Protestant, it is American.


2 posted on 11/24/2008 9:20:18 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Alex Murphy
Hey, Virginians know the first official Thanksgiving was at Berkeley Plantation in 1619, before the Pilgrims even got here. We had some Smithfield ham and then watched the Pilgrim landing on CNN (it was several years before FOX).
3 posted on 11/24/2008 9:23:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Your Ad Here)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The holiday of Thanksgiving is neither Catholic nor Protestant, it is American.

Absolutely agree...

4 posted on 11/24/2008 9:23:41 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Thank YOU!

I’m Catholic and this is silly.


5 posted on 11/24/2008 9:25:40 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Corin Stormhands

You make me laugh so hard!!!


6 posted on 11/24/2008 9:27:39 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I find the post to be informative and interesting. Discussing history is never childish but responding to the discussion in a snotty two sentence blurb is.


7 posted on 11/24/2008 9:27:42 AM PST by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Alex Murphy
Most if not all farming peoples of Europe had a tradition of gathering together for a feast to celebrate the ingathering of a successful harvest. The settlers on the early American frontier continued this tradition even though no official Thanksgiving holiday had been proclaimed.

Individual state governors had the option of proclaiming a Thanksgiving Day. Abraham Lincoln made it official.

(This is the bare-bones info we tell visitors to our PA historical society when we display a traditional colonial-era Thanksgiving/harvest feast each year.)

8 posted on 11/24/2008 9:28:20 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanksgiving was actually celebrated

Can we please stop it with this overuse of the word, "actually," to mean: "Contrary to your pathetic mistaken belief"?

9 posted on 11/24/2008 9:28:24 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Alex Murphy
The Aberdeen Mounds in Ohio have cave drawings showing stick figures carving what looks like a turkey and other stick figures with bowed heads. It is speculated that the bowls on the table hold wild cranberries and crushed cattail roots, an early form of mashed potatoes. These drawings are over 3000 years old.

(OK...so I made it up. But it makes are much sense as trying to tie this to a specific religion.)

10 posted on 11/24/2008 9:29:32 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Binstence

Amen. There’s plenty of interesting historical facts connected with the act of Thanksgiving and the only thing about it that is “American” is eating Turkey in late November. Christians have been giving thanks for nearly 2000 years.


11 posted on 11/24/2008 9:31:43 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hey, Virginians know the first official Thanksgiving was at Berkeley Plantation in 1619, before the Pilgrims even got here. We had some Smithfield ham and then watched the Pilgrim landing on CNN (it was several years before FOX).

Too true. I inherited a souvenier "Official First Annual Berkeley Plantation Thanksgiving and Carnival" t-shirt, handed down from my great-great-great grandparents. A distant relative bought it at one of the concession stands at the Plantation. Rumor has it the batter fried turkey-on-a-stick was overrated that day, but the beer was reasonably priced.

12 posted on 11/24/2008 9:33:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I agree.

The above is an interesting but slightly biased narrative.

The Catholic CHurch was every bit as rigorous in its persecution of “heretics” as the Protestants were of each other and Catholics.

The entire reformation period was a most unfortunate one as while fellow Christians were slaughtering each other - frequently over trivial matters nobody could ever prove one way or another - despite the very similar beliefs of all of them, the Muslims were advancing west and north out of Asia and Africa into Central Europe and the central Mediterranean are even going as far afield as England Ireland the North Atlantic to secure Christian slaves.

HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF.

This time Christianity is destroying itself from within over issues involving activist non-traditional clergy while Islam is in the heart of Europe and threatening the Americas and the un-Muslim parts of Africa.


13 posted on 11/24/2008 9:34:41 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Alex Murphy

An Anglican priest I know used to remark that in the two national holidays on ECUSA’s calendar (Indpenedence Day and Thanksgiving Day), the Anglicans were the bad guys.

That said, Thanksgiving is neither just Catholic, nor Anglican nor Protestant. It’s simply Christian. We give thanks to God for our many blessings.


14 posted on 11/24/2008 9:38:02 AM PST by bobjam
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To: bobjam

Isn’t Catholicism what the pilgrims were running away from?!


15 posted on 11/24/2008 9:39:52 AM PST by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: Edizzl79

No.

Anglicanism which they felt was too Catholic.


16 posted on 11/24/2008 9:43:01 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Ciexyz

“Most if not all farming peoples of Europe had a tradition of gathering together for a feast to celebrate the ingathering of a successful harvest.”

I also seem to recall that the European kings of yore would declare days of Thanksgiving (feast days) for auspicious events such as an heir being born or what not. This “power” was inherited by our govenors in the new republic.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 9:44:28 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: ZULU

One could equally argue that the Pilgrims were fleeing Holland, which was, well, too Dutch.


18 posted on 11/24/2008 9:46:38 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Owl558

I think Harvest Festivals are something most societies have.

The Indians had one before the Pilgrims came here and the Israelites had a harvest festival too.


19 posted on 11/24/2008 9:47:52 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Philo-Junius

It was those “Dutch Treat” dates!!


20 posted on 11/24/2008 9:48:37 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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