Posted on 11/16/2008 12:15:27 PM PST by TaraP
How do you explain that song that goes -
“In the year 2525...”
Where in scripture do you read that Christ returns in secret? That passage in 1 Corinithians is a description of Christ's 2nd coming.
You posted scripture that says there is no secret about his 2nd coming:
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The 2nd coming of Christ will be the most visible event there is. There is no secret 2nd coming and a 3rd visible coming. At least not in scripture.
I have a book that “proves” we were in the final week of Daniel’s prophecy when it was written thirty years ago.
Plus the end time in 1984, then 1988, then 1989.
Crazy talk. If there were to be an anti-Christ, he would appear in the Church, not the White House.
God didn’t write it?
Anyone who hangs out a prophecy conferences selling t-shirts is a prima facie phony.
Prophecy conferences are all about marketing the rapture, not the truth.
to accomplish what the Lord wants you to do in these VERY, VERY LAST DAYS that we are now living in.
So now we are in the "very, very, last days", as opposed to the "very last days" of Jack Van Impe or the "last days" of Hal Lindsey. I guess that makes it official.
I just love it when one futurist crank takes another futurist crank to task when they speculations are at odds (as they often are since they have little reference to the Bible).
John Hagee and Dr Charles Stanley also speak of the rapture as well as Messianic Pastors....
Perry Stone as well.
Right on!
Hagee is wrong on so many things that it is difficult to separate truth from error when he speaks. E.g., his claim that Jesus was not the Messiah of Israel.
On the subject of the end times, Stanley (like many Southern Baptists) appears to just be regurgitating the pop pre-trib stuff that is floating around the ether.
Most messianic types have their own problems interpreting the Bible. The rapture theory is just one in a whole set of issues.
Perry Stone as well.
I’ve seen this annoying character on TBN. Again, like most pop futurists he is just regurgitating stuff that has been circulating for decades. Wake me up when anything he says comes to pass.
And so we find the "rapture ready" crowd consuming without question all the putrid, mind-numbing stuff that comes from the "prophecy preachers". They never stop to ask, "where is this all getting us? How is this advancing the work of the great commission?"
Sometime when I between the ages of 7-11 there was a “prophesy” that the world was going to end on March 6th, I think. Forgive me, it has been many years.
Obviously, it didn’t happen but the reason I remember it was that it stressed me out when I first heard it and made me sick to my stomach but I was a kid and soon forgot about it.
Then I came home from school one day and was playing with matches, I managed to get some dry grass on fire and then I couldn’t get it out! And then I remembered that the world was going to end and then I realized that the world was going to end that very day! And that I had started the fire that was going to destroy it all! ...and I was still more frightened of my mother than of God.
Vanity, it is all vanity. God is in control and we can only wait and wonder and follow the Lord so that when He does come we will be ready because even if the world doesn’t end soon, your life will, someday.
There was a sure fire cure for false prophets in the OT. Today, they get their own show on TBN.
I find Stone to be the most compelling of all. His knowledge of ancient Israel and her traditions, tied with Biblical illustrations, is eye openning.
He recently has done a series on ancient Hebrew weddings and the Bible accounts of the Bride of Christ. Amazing.
Another FReeper turned me on to Joel Rosenberg. Definetly look into his stuff. He has a few novels out, I just finished The Ezekial Option. My first read of his novels. But Epicenter is his book describing Ezekial 38-39 and the coming war of Gog and Magog, on which his novels are derived. Very Good.
With the bailout bill, the Congress effectively made the Treasury Secretary the most powerful man in the world and he will be able to control commerce.
If he wants you to bank at a certain bank then you will, if he wants you to buy a certain product, you will.
I find this guy to be very compelling. His name is Doug Batchlor and if you listen to him for a while, you will see why. Very logical and common sense approach to the Bible. He has a TV show called Amazing Facts and the website above also.
Another great site~!
Everybody's got a gimmick, event the Adventists. Promoting something called the "three angels' message of Revelation 14".
Just curious, but how do you know whether Stone is telling the truth or feeding you a bunch of bunk on the traditions of ancient Israel?
Luke 17
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within[b] you."
22Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[c] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28"It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30"It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot's wife! 33Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."[d]
37"Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."
Matthew 24
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
What Stone mentions expands on that even more, and allows one to understand our standing with Christ even more. His explainations are very in depth and detailed. I could be wrong in listening and believing most of what Stone says, but I doubt it. I've put alot of my own reading into Gods word, BEFORE I listen to others. Stones explaination of ancient Hebrew weddings makes perfect sense for someone who already comfortably understands the biblical picture presented.
The only stretch then is tying it to prophecy. When one knows the word of God and sees how God has operated in the past its easy to see him operating that way in the present and the future.
I don't look to Bible "prophecy" teachers for revelation, I see them as inspiration. First and foremost I rely on Gods word. I listen to others, and weigh their words by the gospel, not the other way around.
I look to others to learn from, but never put my faith in "them."
We all come to FR mainly to learn, and then maybe to voice our own opinions. How do any of us know what is the truth that is posted here. We post, and we read things, and read more things, that give us a broader and more complete picture of things. Over at DU they do something somewhat similar. The difference being they post things that fall in line with their world view. They ban and ridicule anything of opposing views. They call it learning, but it really isn't
Here at FR we might have certain world views, but we study and learn from others and reason for ourselves. Banning and ridicule are reserved mostly for people posting far out stuff with no basis in reality, or not presenting coherent thought, or just trying to cause trouble.
There are many discussions here with people who disagree with this point or that point. But it is exactly those discussions that either enlighten or enrich one, or confirm and strengthen ones beliefs.
First of all, nowhere in the Bible are individual believers referred to as the bride of Christ. That term is reserved for the Church as a collective body.
And while it may be life changing for you, but there is nothing in the Bible about the Church per se being a "wayward bride". I suspect this is Mr. Stone’s embellishment, and the uninformed may take it seriously. If his knowledge of all things Jewish has led him to this conclusion, then he is selling something not explicitly given to us in the Bible.
The only stretch then is tying it to prophecy. When one knows the word of God and sees how God has operated in the past its easy to see him operating that way in the present and the future.
Actually, it is not, not with any divine authority anyway. God operated specifically with regard to the old covenant nation of Israel. That nation no longer exists. Israel, as the wayward nation, had the kingdom taken from them and given to the Church (Matthew 21:43), God’s true "holy nation" (1 Peter 2:9,10). There is no biblical warrant for trying to extrapolate how God dealt with ancient (old covenant) Israel and apply that to secular nations today. Again, this is where Mr. Stone appears to go too far in his theories.
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