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To: topcat54
It is "possible" that Stone is fabricating stuff up. But I have been a Christian almost my entire life. I am very familiar with Bible references of the Bride of Christ, and have for years been very intrigued with the analogy. To understand Christ as the groom and believers each being a wayward bride that Christ loves and would do anything for, and desires to have that type of intimate relationship with us, that is truely life changing.

What Stone mentions expands on that even more, and allows one to understand our standing with Christ even more. His explainations are very in depth and detailed. I could be wrong in listening and believing most of what Stone says, but I doubt it. I've put alot of my own reading into Gods word, BEFORE I listen to others. Stones explaination of ancient Hebrew weddings makes perfect sense for someone who already comfortably understands the biblical picture presented.

The only stretch then is tying it to prophecy. When one knows the word of God and sees how God has operated in the past its easy to see him operating that way in the present and the future.

I don't look to Bible "prophecy" teachers for revelation, I see them as inspiration. First and foremost I rely on Gods word. I listen to others, and weigh their words by the gospel, not the other way around.

I look to others to learn from, but never put my faith in "them."

We all come to FR mainly to learn, and then maybe to voice our own opinions. How do any of us know what is the truth that is posted here. We post, and we read things, and read more things, that give us a broader and more complete picture of things. Over at DU they do something somewhat similar. The difference being they post things that fall in line with their world view. They ban and ridicule anything of opposing views. They call it learning, but it really isn't

Here at FR we might have certain world views, but we study and learn from others and reason for ourselves. Banning and ridicule are reserved mostly for people posting far out stuff with no basis in reality, or not presenting coherent thought, or just trying to cause trouble.

There are many discussions here with people who disagree with this point or that point. But it is exactly those discussions that either enlighten or enrich one, or confirm and strengthen ones beliefs.

59 posted on 11/17/2008 9:57:02 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
To understand Christ as the groom and believers each being a wayward bride that Christ loves and would do anything for, and desires to have that type of intimate relationship with us, that is truely life changing.

First of all, nowhere in the Bible are individual believers referred to as the bride of Christ. That term is reserved for the Church as a collective body.

And while it may be life changing for you, but there is nothing in the Bible about the Church per se being a "wayward bride". I suspect this is Mr. Stone’s embellishment, and the uninformed may take it seriously. If his knowledge of all things Jewish has led him to this conclusion, then he is selling something not explicitly given to us in the Bible.

The only stretch then is tying it to prophecy. When one knows the word of God and sees how God has operated in the past its easy to see him operating that way in the present and the future.

Actually, it is not, not with any divine authority anyway. God operated specifically with regard to the old covenant nation of Israel. That nation no longer exists. Israel, as the wayward nation, had the kingdom taken from them and given to the Church (Matthew 21:43), God’s true "holy nation" (1 Peter 2:9,10). There is no biblical warrant for trying to extrapolate how God dealt with ancient (old covenant) Israel and apply that to secular nations today. Again, this is where Mr. Stone appears to go too far in his theories.

60 posted on 11/17/2008 10:27:53 AM PST by topcat54 ("In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria.")
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To: mountn man
"When one knows the word of God and sees how God has operated in the past its easy to see him operating that way in the present and the future."

Absolutely the most important key to understanding prophecy!

Isa 41:22 "Let them bring [them] forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they [be], that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come."

101 posted on 11/30/2008 4:01:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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