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To: r9etb

The key question is:

does a correct Biblical understanding of God and the Salvation he offers us honor Him or not?

What happens to us is not at issue.

It’s not about us, it’s about Him.

with warm regards.


17 posted on 11/13/2008 8:11:54 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: vimto
does a correct Biblical understanding of God and the Salvation he offers us honor Him or not?

From a TULIP perspective ... it is irrelevant whether or not we "honor" God. Such considerations only make sense if the "I" and "U" parts (at least) of five-point Calvinism are invalid.

What happens to us is not at issue. It’s not about us, it’s about Him.

Sorry, but that's obviously incorrect. In essence, that position implies that Jesus Christ is not relevant to mankind; and that mankind is irrelevant to God. But that is clearly counter-Scriptural.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:16-17)

This passage sums up the whole point of Scripture, which is precisely that "what happens to us" is of central importance to God -- so much so that He delivered His only son up to the cross in order that we might be saved.

The problem with TULIP Calvinism is that it's a logically self-negating theology, and on many levels. For TULIP to be correct requires the rejection of free will, for example. The doctrine of "Unconditional Election" means that the promulgation of TULIP theology is utterly without meaning. And so on.

The problem here, as with the Pharisees, that ardent TULIPers are trapped within a limited view of Scripture that misses the point: "God so loved the world..."

21 posted on 11/13/2008 9:17:15 AM PST by r9etb
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To: vimto
does a correct Biblical understanding of God and the Salvation he offers us honor Him or not?

However, since God is sovereign, it is not something an individual can choose to do. So if someone doesn't believe rightly, and God is not honored, then it would be because God chose not to open the eyes of that person.

I'm being a little bit facetious with that comment, but not completely.

23 posted on 11/13/2008 9:24:13 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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