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Despite Vatican warning, Father Bourgeois firm on women's ordination
CNS ^ | November 12, 2008 | Dennis Sadowski

Posted on 11/12/2008 3:13:42 PM PST by NYer


WASHINGTON (CNS) -- Despite being threatened with excommunication by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Maryknoll Father Roy Bourgeois said he would not recant his belief that women should be ordained as Catholic priests.

"There's nothing that Rome can do to me to take away the peace, the clarity I have on this issue," Father Bourgeois told Catholic News Service Nov. 12. "No matter what the consequences, I feel I am doing the right thing."

Father Bourgeois sent a letter to congregation officials Nov. 7 outlining his stance on women's ordination and how he believes church "teaching on this issue is wrong and does not stand up to scrutiny." He said the issue is one of conscience and that he cannot recant something of which he remains firmly convinced.

The letter was made public Nov. 11 by the priest's attorney, Bill Quigley, in New Orleans, La.

The 69-year-old priest said his letter was in response to an Oct. 21 notice from the Vatican congregation, headed by Cardinal William J. Levada, an American, that gave him 30 days to recant his belief and public statements about the ordination of women or be excommunicated.

Known widely for his 19-year campaign to close a U.S. army school at Fort Benning, Ga., that trains Latin American soldiers, Father Bourgeois attracted the attention of the leaders of his order and church officials following his participation in a reported ordination ceremony sponsored by Roman Catholic Womenpriests Aug. 9 in Lexington, Ky.

In August Father Bourgeois said he concelebrated the liturgy, delivered the homily and laid hands on longtime friend and fellow peace activist Janice Sevre-Duszynska during what traditionally would have been the ordination rite at the ceremony in a Unitarian Universalist church. He said he was invited to the ceremony by Sevre-Duszynska and decided to participate after a period of discernment.

He received a canonical warning from Maryknoll leadership during an Aug. 18 meeting with representatives of the order's General Council in Maryknoll, N.Y. At the time, Father Bourgeois said he hoped the issue was settled because he had no intention of participating in any other such ceremony.

The congregation's letter, delivered through Maryknoll superiors, came as a shock, said Father Bourgeois, who was ordained in 1972. "The seriousness set in," he said. "It wasn't complicated. They said very seriously I had 30 days and if I didn't recant I will be excommunicated. That's pretty serious. That's pretty clear. No ifs, ands or buts."

Father Bourgeois said he spent two weeks in prayer and discernment before crafting his response. He said he then drove from his home in Columbus, Ga., to Lutcher, La., 35 miles west of New Orleans, to meet with his family, including his 95-year-old father.

"To them and to me (my father) said, 'Roy has been all over the world and God brought him back from the war in Vietnam safely. God brought him back from Bolivia and El Salvador (where he served as a Maryknoll missioner) and God is going to take care of him now. I support him 100 percent and he's doing the right thing,'" Father Bourgeois told CNS.

"When we get the blessing from family and loved ones, it does bring some peace. At the same time, it saddens me to put them through this," he said.

For now, Father Bourgeois will continue to prepare for the Nov. 21-23 vigil and procession to the gates of Fort Benning in Columbus, the home of the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, the army school he has been trying to close for nearly two decades.

He also said he may try to arrange a meeting with congregation officials with the help of his superiors in New York and in Rome to discuss the issue.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: excommunication; maryknoll; vatican
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1 posted on 11/12/2008 3:13:43 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

And here is the response.


2 posted on 11/12/2008 3:14:28 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

“I think women should be priests.”

Response: EXCOMMUNICATE!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!EXCOMMUNICATE!!!!!!!!

“I think pregnant women should be able to kill their unborn babies.”

Response:
There are many factors that can lead someone to vote for a candidate blah blah blah, if a politician supports abortion they should decide for themselves if communion should blah blah blah


3 posted on 11/12/2008 3:21:05 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: NYer

thhhhhbbbbbb


4 posted on 11/12/2008 3:27:51 PM PST by SaintDismas
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To: NYer

I am glad he will be at peace when he is excommunicated.


5 posted on 11/12/2008 3:28:35 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: NYer

Off with his head said the red queen.


6 posted on 11/12/2008 3:33:44 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: NYer

Bourgeois is an old commie priest from the Latin American “liberation theology” school. He worked for the communists in El Salvador and Nicaragua and Colombia, among other countries threatened by the reds.

However, he has also been a supporter of domestic US terrorists and groups thru their fronts and causes.

He should not only be excommunicated, but executed as a communist traitor. Oh, try him first so that the public can see what he has done to betray America, and then shot him. We must be proper and follow procedure.


7 posted on 11/12/2008 3:40:43 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: NYer

Don’t snag your sweater on the way out the door, Father. The Episcopal Church welcomes you ...


8 posted on 11/12/2008 3:47:13 PM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: NYer

More evidence of the lack of spine for too many years by too many bishops in the US. I HOPE this time they see they MUST stand for something or get this kind of dissent. Enough already. Purge the church, these people are not catholic anyway.


9 posted on 11/12/2008 3:47:45 PM PST by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

This additional information makes it clear that he’s not just well-intentioned but fizzy-headed, as some who support “ordination” of women are, but a genuinely bad person. The Church (and the world) need fewer of those.


10 posted on 11/12/2008 3:52:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: NYer
Despite being threatened with excommunication by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Maryknoll Father Roy Bourgeois said he would not recant his belief that women should be ordained as Catholic priests.

*John McLaughlin voice*............BYE....BYEEEEEEE!!

11 posted on 11/12/2008 4:14:00 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: NYer

We mustn’t allow ourselves to take any pleasure in this. It is a tremendously sad thing when anyone is excommunicated. Our goal should be that everyone gets to heaven. This obviously does not happen. But, it is why this man was given every opportunity to recant and realign himself with the Church of Christ.

We need to pray for all those who are in danger of straying down the same dark path, that they may not do so. And we should also pray for this man who has strayed.


12 posted on 11/12/2008 7:08:20 PM PST by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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To: NYer

Ba-bye, Bourgeois.


13 posted on 11/12/2008 8:51:14 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: BaBaStooey

Can we allow ourselves to feel relieved that a supporter of terrorism who rejects the authority of the Magisterium will have reduced opportunities to promote error in the guise of being “Catholic”?


14 posted on 11/13/2008 5:00:01 AM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: Tax-chick

Sure, but “nah-nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah-nah, hey hey hey, goodbye” or “don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you” crosses a line. That’s all I’m saying.

Pray for this guy. He obviously needs it.


15 posted on 11/13/2008 6:13:29 AM PST by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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To: NYer

So they will excuminacate the priest for saying women should be priests, but then they do this:

“Monsignor W. Francis Malooly, the Catholic bishop of Wilmington in Delaware, said he would not ban Joe Biden, the Vice President elect and a Roman Catholic, from taking Communion because of his stand on issues such as stem cell research and abortion. Mr Biden, a Senator from Delaware, lives in the Wilmington diocese.

The bishop was quoted as saying that “the Eucharist must not be politicised”. He added that the job of a Catholic prelate was not to “alienate people” but rather to “change their hearts and minds”.”


16 posted on 11/13/2008 6:47:11 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: NYer
"There's nothing that Rome can do to me to take away the peace, the clarity I have on this issue," Father Bourgeois

Jeremiah 6:11 Therefore am I full of the fury of the Lord, I am weary with holding in: pour it out upon the child abroad, and upon the council of the young men together: for man and woman shall be taken, the ancient and he that is full of days. 12 And their houses shall be turned over to others, with their lands and their wives together: for I will stretch for my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord. 13 For from the least of them even to the greatest, all are given to covetousness: and from the prophet even to the priest, all are guilty of deceit. 14 And they healed the breach of the daughter of my people disgracefully, saying: Peace, peace: and there was no peace. 15 They were confounded, because they committed abomination: yea, rather they were not confounded with confusion, and they knew not how to blush: wherefore they shall fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall fall down, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 8: 6 I attended, and hearkened; no man speaketh what is good, there is none that doth penance for his sin, saying: What have I done? They are all turned to their own course, as a horse rushing to the battle. 7 The kite in the air hath known her time: the turtle, and the swallow, and the stork have observed the time of their coming: but my people have not known the judgment of the Lord. 8 How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood. 9 The wise men are confounded, they are dismayed, and taken: for they have cast away the word of the Lord, and there is no wisdom in them. 10 Therefore I will give their women to strangers, their fields to others for an inheritance: because from the least even to the greatest all follow covetousness: from the prophet even to the priest, all deal deceitfully. 11 And they healed the breach of the daughter of my people disgracefully, saying Peace, peace: when there was no peace. 12 They are confounded, because they have committed abomination: yea rather they are not confounded with confusion, and they have not know how to blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall; in the time of their visitation they shall fall, saith the Lord. 13 Gathering I will gather them together, saith the Lord, there is no grape on the vines, and there are no figs on the fig tree, the leaf is fallen: and I have given them the things that are passed away. 14 Why do we sit still? assemble yourselves, and let us enter into the fenced city, and let us be silent there: for the Lord our God hath put us to silence, and hath given us water of gall to drink: for we have sinned against the Lord. 15 We looked for peace and no good came: for a time of healing, and behold fear. 16 The snorting of his horse was heard from Dan, all the land was moved at the sound of the neighing of his warriors: and they came and devoured the land, and all that was in it: the city and its inhabitants. 17 For behold I will send among you serpents, basilisks, against which there is no charm: and they shall bite you, saith the Lord. 18 My sorrow is above sorrow, my heart mourneth within me. 19 Behold the voice of the daughter my people from a far country: Is not the Lord in Sion, or is not her king in her? why then have they provoked me to wrath with their idols, and strange vanities? 20 The harvest is passed, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

When the Bible repeats itself, it's as if it were written in CAPITALS to get the people's attention. Heed Ye The Word of the Lord.
17 posted on 11/13/2008 7:50:29 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Psalm 66:7b "He watches every movement of the nations. Rebels will not be able to oppose Him.")
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To: NYer
Catholics, don't just respond here on FR. Email the Pope at
benedictxvi@vatican.va

Non Catholics, email your concerns, too.
18 posted on 11/13/2008 7:53:59 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Psalm 66:7b "He watches every movement of the nations. Rebels will not be able to oppose Him.")
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To: icwhatudo

I think what actually happened is that this Catholic priest went to an “ordination” of a group of Catholic women who went through an ordination rite, performed at a Protestant Church, by a former Catholic priest.

Thus, what happened is that this Priest mocked a sacrament. While Joe Biden has publicy articulated “pro-choice” positions, the theological question is whether that is tantamount to materially cooperating with evil, when Joe Biden has never participated in an abortion.

There are some Bishops who are making the case that advocating “pro-choice” positions warrants not presenting oneself for Holy Communion, while other Bishops have decided to not withhold Communion for such politicians.

What this priest is advocating and participating in is outright heresy. While I personally agree with the more strict position advocated by numerous Bishops that Pro-choice Catholics should not receive communion, Rome has not as of yet come down definitively on that point, although one sees a gradual movement in that direction.


19 posted on 11/13/2008 8:15:43 PM PST by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

Correction to my previous post. The “fake ordination” took place at a Unitarian church. My apologies to orthodox Protestant Christians.

Regards


20 posted on 11/13/2008 8:19:08 PM PST by CTrent1564
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