Posted on 11/12/2008 1:14:45 PM PST by SmithL
On Prop 8, I’m not sure what some people thought “evangelicals” were going to do. I mean there isn’t really a “church” per say.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an actual Church that can mobilize behind a cause. Same as the Catholics.
And to be quite candid, it’s best that everything with an “evangelical” label just stay way from anything dealing with public opinion and a vote.
Evangelicals have sowed their own seeds for a long time. I believe the media’s coverage of how evangelicals biased views of Mitt Romney was the last straw. At least it was in my extended family...who don’t identify with any religion.
My extended family voted for Romney in the primaries, but voted for Obama in the election. I was told with no uncertain terms that they wouldn’t vote for an evangelical.
Everyone is shouting about the abuse that elderly lady took when she walked into the middle of that pro-gay crowd carrying her cross....IMO, the fault was 90% hers. She’s lucky that’s all they did to her. Again, just IMO, I think that was her goal. It was stupid.
Prop 8 passed. We won. Rubbing someone’s nose in it, especially when they are upset, is un-Christ like in every way.
Simple.
They do NOT know what the Bible says!
The BOOK does NOT say...
"Take a snippet here and a chunk there and a piece here and add some of your own ideas to be 'approved unto GOD'."
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Version Number When Published Brief Description |
Age Year |
Pillar of light |
No. of Person- ages |
Father Present |
Son Present |
Question: Join What Sect? |
Remarks-References |
1. Offical version, written 1838,
first Published 1842
(There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign Jan 1985, page 14)
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14
1820 |
yes | 2 |
yes
Both spoke |
yes |
Join none |
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f
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2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832 | 14 or 15 | yes |
1 | no |
yes Saw Lord, He "spoke" |
No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven
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Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f |
3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
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15 |
yes |
1 |
no |
yes Saw the Lord Jesus Christ |
No question,
told sins forgiven,
all do no good
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Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11 |
4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
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About 14 |
yes |
One, then another like unto first |
?
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?
Second spoke, saw many angels
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No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son
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Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B |
5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
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none |
no |
2 |
? They spoke |
? |
No Question |
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol 3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
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6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor
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15 |
no |
1 Saw an angel, and asked the angel |
no |
no |
Join none |
See Journal of Discourses,
2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
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Yup; those old Mormon leaders REALLY said some wierd stuff; didn't they!
Many do not mean what they sound like because of the mixing and mis-matching of ideas.
(But the other 98.7% do.)
I'm sure you'll post everything in context to show just how WRONG we anti's are: right?
Translation:
YOU play defense for a while; as we are getting tired.
THOSE have worked out quite well... ;^)
Please quit pinging me. You offend me with your negativity.
Gee; that's too bad.
Don't type anything that is HERETICAL and I'll probably not have to reply to it.
(I guess not!)
Jesus.....is that you?
I’m sure you’ll post everything in context to show just how WRONG we anti’s are: right?
I am SERIOUS. I am sick of this nonsense.
Do I believe in GOD? Yes I very much do.
Do I believe that Christ was the Son of GOD? No answer. I don't know and Himself has not taken the time to clue me in on that. I'll keep you posted.
Do I believe that abortion is wrong? Do I believe that homosexuality is wrong? Do I believe that the 10 Commandments have it right in most cases? Yes I do!
Do I believe that the Catholics have it any more up on the Mormons or that the Protestants (of whichever denomination) have a better grip on the God thing than the the Catholics or the Jews do?
Again, no answer.
God has not taken the time out of his busy schedule to clue me in. From where I sit there is not very much difference between the lot of you, although I think some are more thickheaded than others.
Do I think that all of you people should get your collective heads out of your nether regions and start dealing with the collective REAL AND PRESENT ENEMIES that threatens EVERYONE, even in my case loosely, are trying to do the good, right and moral thing?
Look for clues...
Yes; He has.
Do I believe that the 10 Commandments have it right in most cases?
Which ones do you think are wrongt?
OK. Right. Like the RULER OF THE UNIVERSE needs me to tell him how wonderful he is. And if I don't he will cast me into HELL or even worse, San Francisco.
You shall have no other Gods before me.
OK.
You shall not make an Idol.
No problem. I am bad at sculpture anyhow.
You shall not make a wrongful use of the name of your God.
How's that? God is a generic term for the ultimate deity. Lots of religions say they have the name of God, but except for the ones I will not mention out of respect for my Jewish friends, I have no idea what to call Him anyhow.
Remember the Sabbath and kept Holy.
Uncheck. I have no Sabbath. I have been "baptized" as a Catholic (shortly after I was born) as a Baptist (at my first foster home) and also as a Mormon (at my second foster home). I did not perceive any benefit from any of them except that in the case of the Baptist baptism, I got a nice dinner afterwards, but according to all of them, I am going to hell. Whats the use???
Honor your father and mother.
Orphan. You do not want details. Dog days.
You shall not commit murder.
Hasn't happened yet. I don't see it happening since I don't even like to kill cockroaches.
Do not bear false witness.
This is one I seriously try to keep. I do believe in God and I do think my actions have meaning.
You shall not commit adultery.
OK, here I have to take a fail. Not that I have been married before but simply because I think that God is trying to say "don't screw around" and I am guilty of that on multiple counts. But I have now been living with the same woman for more than eight years and have been faithful to her all that time.
Neighbors wife?
Not likely. She looks like a gargoyle, but with less humanity.
Do not covet, etc. etc.
No problem. I have what I need, I don't worry about things I don't have. If I can eat, sleep and relax at the appropriate times, its enough.
Again... you Yahoos make me tired. I'm going to bed.
Why do you revel in confrontation and negativity? What would Jesus do? Seeking amusement as an anonymous sniper ought to get you right into heaven. It is so sad that I won’t be there too.
“Contending for the faith” has been an excuse for every type of crime and atrocity committed in the name of religion for as far back as we have records.
I realize the utter futility of arguing about this and so this will be my last post on the matter.
To battle over matters of doctrine with people who profess Christ but not in the way you like is, in my view, satanic. It seems that memebers of every sect tend to do this to one degree or another. All they accomplish is to create contention, anger, resentment and to discredit the entire faith in the eyes of non-believers.
As for me, I figure God is fully capable of judging who is and is not a true devotee. And I KNOW that men are corrupt, foolish, prideful, angry, slothful and quick to proclaim their own dearly held views as ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Absolute truth does exist. You find it in the doctrines of every sect though, unfortunately, not always given the weight it should.
The greatest commandment is to love God and the second greatest is to love others and from these “hang all the law and prophets”. But again, it is a waste of time to point this out as human beings are fully capable of justifying anything - and will.
God be with you.
Amen and Amen!!
This religion thing. I just don’t get it. I have tried to BELIEVE in various sects..... un my childhood those beliefs where encouraged with the rod and the the threat of lack of affection...
...which is WHY I hate the idea of gay adoption... Kids emulate their parents...
We do not really select our religion. Most people get it from their parents. Theygrow up with it. Unless they the street rats, like me.
I had a nasty childhood. So none of them stuck. I love the Christian ideal. If you guys are right I expect I am going to have to talk smartly to St. Peter.
I wish I could believe like you guys do. But the brain that God gave me always wants to know WHY and you guys don’t have any answers except “GOD SAID SO”, but God didn’t....
At least not to me...
That is also a form of "making it personal."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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