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To: quadrant
Let me ask you these questions. You have cited several Bible passages to support your conclusion. Others, including many Bible scholars of international reputations, read the same passages and come to different conclusinons. What makes you right and them wrong?

I stand alone on the Word of God. As Martin Luther said to his accusers (in paraphrase), show me where I’m wrong from the Word of God and I will surely repent of my errant views.

Would you agree that a possibility exists that two honest Bible scholars may come to different conclusions about this issue?

Absolutely. One may be right and the other wrong, or they may both be wrong, but they cannot both be right. No man is perfect in his interpretation of the Word of God. All men can and do make mistakes, including me. Some eminent Bible scholars have changed long held views of the Bible.

Have you a revelation from God supporting your conclusion and invalidating theirs?

Nope. I stand alone on the Word of God, which I am ready to discuss at any time. I am ready to compare any interpretation of Scripture with my understanding. If I can be shown to be wrong, I am prepared to change my interpretation to be more faithful to the Word of God. In fact, I have changed my opinion many times. In my younger days, just after my conversion, I used to believe many of the thing commonly believed about Israel, etc. I have since discarded most of those ideas because I found they were not entirely true to the Bible.

Do these two different interpretations of Scripture effect the historic creeds of the church?

Not sure what you are asking. I do not believe that certain modern views wrt the Church and Israel are biblical and fit with the historic views of the Church, esp. the Reformed Church that I’m a member of.

You said before, I don't believe that the new covenant eradicates the old. I asked you in what way then is the old covenant still in effect? And your biblical basis for such a conclusion.

30 posted on 11/10/2008 7:54:04 PM PST by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54
Others stand on the Word, just as you claim to. What makes your stand the correct one and theirs wrong? You have attempted to show me where they are wrong. Your arguments are unpersuasive, theirs convince.

I urge you to remember the words of Oliver Cromwell, “Think it possible in the bowels of Christ that you may be mistaken.”

I live in the SF Bay area. Thousands of people are not only indifferent to the Word but display outright hostility. many live openly in sinful homosexual relationships. I debate them quite frequently and attempt to show them the Truth of God's message of salvation through the redemptive sacrifice of His Son. Only a few and a very few are willing to listen. They claim to stand on reason, love, and tolerance. They even claim to stand on truth, or at least on what they consider to be the truth. I know their ideas of truth are little more than rationalizations for what they want to believe. I know intellectual arrogance when I see it.

When I listen to or read the men who support my ideas, I know they are as devoted to spreading the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus as I am - and as you claim to be. Many of the men I speak with have sacrificed decades to work in the missions of Asia and the Middle East. After risking their lives to spread the Gospel, I know they would not preach one word they did not consider the Truth of Scripture.

As a layman I am not competent to debate Scripture. I trust the character of the men to whom I listen. Many would cut off their hands before they preached falsehood.

I tell you this, when I read the Apostles of Nicene Creeds, I read nothing of Dispensationalism. Your arguments are simply unimportant to the Truth of Jesus as Messiah.

31 posted on 11/11/2008 5:14:52 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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