Posted on 10/26/2008 1:21:45 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW
1. Views of Catholic and Protestant Historians
A. Johann von Dollinger
"Historically nothing is more incorrect than the assertion that the Reformation was a movement in favour of intellectual freedom. The exact contary is the truth. For themselves, it is true, Lutherans and Calvinists claimed liberty of conscience . . . but to grant it to others never occurred to them so long as they were the stronger side. The complete extirpation of the Catholic Church, and in fact of everything that stood in their way, was regarded by the reformers as something entirely natural." (51;v.6:268-9/1)
B. Preserved Smith (Secularist)
"If any one still harbors the traditional prejudice that the early Protestants were more liberal, he must be undeceived. Save for a few splendid sayings of Luther, confined to the early years when he was powerless, there is hardly anything to be found among the leading reformers in favor of freedom of conscience. As soon as they had the power to persecute they did." (115:177)
C. Hartmann Grisar
"At Zurich, Zwingli's State-Church grew up much as Luther's did . . . Oecolampadius at Basle and Zwingli's successor, Bullinger, were strong compulsionists. Calvin's name is even more closely bound up with the idea of religious absolutism, while the task of handing down to posterity his harsh doctrine of religious compulsion was undertaken by Beza in his notorious work, On the Duty of Civil Magistrates to Punish Heretics. The annals of the Established Church of England were likewise at the outset written in blood." (51;v.6:278)
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I am just surprised to find they did not shrink heads and keep them as idols.
Next you'll be telling me Foxe's Book of Martyrs is a pack of lies as well!
Oh...wait....
Whoops!
Post #3 replied to you on the wrong thread.
I guess it’s just as good here as there.
LOL...gotta move fast my friend!!
The Black Legend...
Wow, now the Reformation was “intolerant”, conservative, and absolutist. This is nothing more than the tripe you read in the DemocRAT manifesto. Is it surprising to read about it in Catholic writings?
Call me intolerant (worshiping Mary is wrong and sinful), conservative (I’ll follow Augustine’s predestination views) and absolutist (there’s only one way to heaven through our Lord Jesus).
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
...I’ll follow Augustine’s predestination views...
You're abandoning Cauvin?
...there’s only one way to heaven through our Lord Jesus...
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
I’m not going to call you or any other adherent to heretical teachings anything. Heresy, by virtue of it’s falseness, causes the advocate of heresy to accuse themselves before the throne of God.
I’ll just stick to the Truth of Jesus Christ and leave the “call me this and that” to those who hate Christ’s Church.
Imagine spending your adult years with lustful fetish of hatred toward Christ’s Church? What a dismal state to be in. We must pray more wholeheartedly for these poor misguided souls.
Imagine bragging about carrying on a 500-year hate!
Indeed. And they wonder why they lack the manifestations of Grace in their lives (and mock the same).
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Ever since the offshoot Roman Catholics split of from the original (Eastern Orthodox) Church because they wanted to use Jerome’s Latin translation instead of the original Greek, Hebrew, And Aramaic Bible there has been one split after another.
LOL That’s a good one.
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Not quite. The Catholic Church believes in the "veneration" of Mary. I find there is no theological grounds for this veneration, much less praying to saints. If you want to pray to someone, your suppose to pray to Christ-not to someone who will pray to Christ for me. This seems like simple logic.
You're abandoning Cauvin?
No, I just accept some of the more profound writings of Augustine Catholics reject, writing from which Calvin drew his conclusions. Those who know me and have read my posts over the years and my conversion to the Reformed doctrine, will confirmed that I arrived at my Reformed beliefs not through Calvin but through Augustine.
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
And that is why I still believe there is hope yet for our Catholic friends. ;O)
In the statement I referenced, you certainly did.
If you want to pray to someone, your suppose to pray to Christ-not to someone who will pray to Christ for me.
Pray means ask. Don't ever ask anyone to pray for you.
And that is why I still believe there is hope yet for our Catholic friends.
Through Christ and the Blessed Sacraments His Church provides for us, there has always been hope for Catholics.
It comes down to terminology. Catholics refer to "veneration" of Mary and tries to make a distinction between veneration of saints and worship of God. Protestants see no distinction.
Pray means ask. Don't you [sic] ever ask anyone to pray for you.
I don't ask those who have gone before to pray for me. If I'm going to be a good steward of my time, wouldn't it be more beneficial to ask Christ directly? Why does someone ask someone who died to pray for him/her?
Through Christ and the Blessed Sacraments His Church provides for us, there has always been hope for Catholics.
I trust on the finished work of Christ and in Him alone is my hope.
Considering the demonstrated lack of ability to comprehend even the most basic concepts of the Truths given to and taught by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches for ~2000 years, it is understandable that protestants would have a difficult time wrapping their arms around Truth. We can only pray that protestants will open their eyes and hearts to Christ through a sincere search for that Truth.
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