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To: NYer

Where in the Bible does it say Michael, Gabriel and Raphael are archangels? I know Gabriel stands in the presence of God but how do we know they are THE archangels? Also, where in scripture is Raphael’s name mentioned?

I am interested in this very much and not necessarily questioning your post. I know Michael and Gabriel’s names are both specifically mentioned in Scripture, as is Lucifer, the only other angel I remember being called by name. Of course, he defected.


6 posted on 09/29/2008 4:48:53 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

Please don’t pollute a Catholic thread with your sola scriptura nonsense. Go elsewhere for that.


12 posted on 09/29/2008 5:33:03 PM PDT by jddqr (White queen checkmates black king: http://palincheckmate.com)
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To: Paved Paradise
You will find Raphael in the book of Tobias, the very end of Chapter 3 and subsequent chapters.

It's one of the Deuterocanonical books (called Apocrypha by most Protestants) that were in the Hebrew Scriptures as accepted at the time of Christ (the LXX or Septuagint), but removed by the Jewish rabbis later in history. Since the King James was translated from the Hebrew Scriptures extant in 1611, the Deuterocanonical books were omitted.

But when you see OT quotes in the NT, they are almost always from the LXX. So there's no good reason to omit them, and most study Bibles include them now.

14 posted on 09/29/2008 5:43:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: Paved Paradise
Where in the Bible does it say Michael, Gabriel and Raphael are archangels?

That's actually Tradition - that which is passed down.

I know Gabriel stands in the presence of God but how do we know they are THE archangels?

Well, they're not the only ones. Names that end in -iel and -ael are archangels. Again, that's Tradition.

Also, where in scripture is Raphael’s name mentioned?

The book of Tobit or Tobias (Douhay-Rhiems translation). Tobit is Helenistic Hebrew, not part of the Jerusalem Hebrew books and as such was called into question at the Council of Carthage when the Canon was closed. The 13 books that were called into question are known as the Deuterocanonicals. THere are seven in the Old Testament and six in the new. At the time of Luther's revolt, he took them out of his edition of the Bible, only restoring the New Testament books, thus why protestants do not know the Old Testament books. Really rather sad, actually, as Tobit, Sirach, and Wisdom have some of the most beautiful passages in the entire Bible, IMO.

16 posted on 09/29/2008 5:45:28 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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