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To: HarleyD
Only through believers is the Father glorified. God does not take pleasure when people praise relicts which is expressly forbidden.

Wrong, my friend. God is glorified by all of creation, not just believers.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Ps 19:1

And how about this?

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Mat 5:14-16

Our response to God's gifts ALSO glorifies God, since it is God Himself who "lights the candles" within this "dark world".

Now, pray tell. Why does God offer salvation to mankind IF not to share with us His goodness and eternal happiness in heaven - which is why we were created?

So he can pull the rug out from under us when we realize how woefully short we fall from perfection???

Regards

27 posted on 09/22/2008 6:37:54 AM PDT by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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To: jo kus
Wrong, my friend. God is glorified by all of creation, not just believers.

You are arguing my point; man along with everything else in this universe was created for God's glory, not so that God could share His goodness with us as is stated in the catechism. We share in His goodness because of His grace and love-not because we were created for that purpose.

Now, pray tell. Why does God offer salvation to mankind IF not to share with us His goodness and eternal happiness in heaven - which is why we were created?

See, there you have changed. Let's approach this in another way. Do those who are cast into hell reflect the glory of God? Is God good to sentence people to an eternal death in a lake of fire to be tormented throughout eternity? I would hope you would answer yes because that is the situation of unbelievers and the very nature of God. God is good and just. Casting the rebellious into eternal torment is a good and just punishment.

This seems like such a preposterous claim simply because we cannot understand how far we have fallen in our depravity to a beautiful and perfect God. But someday, EVERY knee will bow and many of those same people who bow before the throne will justly suffer the fires of hell and it will reflect the goodness and justness of God.

So he can pull the rug out from under us when we realize how woefully short we fall from perfection???

The rug is already pulled out. Our sentence has been established. We are saved from our sentence once He reveals Himself to us and we come to Him. The Father gives us to the Son and the Son keeps us.

28 posted on 09/22/2008 11:16:39 AM PDT by HarleyD
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