Posted on 09/01/2008 9:48:04 AM PDT by IreneE
At Lakeland this summer, Todd Bentley proclaimed that Bob Jones was giving him "the mantle of William Branham".
Scary stuff indeed because of its political End Times anti Christ implications. Sarah Palin needs to distance herself from this deception.
The Democrats are picking up on the story linking Sarah Palin to this group because of her home church’s ties to Rodney Howard Browne.
Browne and Joyner et all need to be exposed by real Christians for their Dominionism and lies.
Browne disagreed with Todd Bentley early on in the revival this summer, BUT Browne believes exactly the same things that Bentley does.
This is a dangerous cult and it has infected the Assemblies of God church that previously stood against it — going back to 1949. As Lakeland was hosted by a corrupt Assemblies of God preacher, Stader, this heresy has gotten out of control and is infectious to unwitting Christians.
Save us, dear Lord, from those who would save us.Art Hoppe, On the Death of Robert Kennedy
San Francisco Chronicle, 1968
The Daily Kos has this article:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213
SARAH PALIN: DOMINIONIST STALKING HORSE
Well, they are trying to find something to stick to her.
Sounds lik emuch ado about nothing. Just another Protestant thingy that will come and go.
I would like to think you are right, but this movement has only gained strength as there is too much money to be made on the heresy.
And too much power to be gained. You have no idea of the delusion these so called Christians are under... especially if you understand that their Joel 2 army is the deluded Anti Christ Army that God promises He will send in the End Times to persecute the saints...
Palin needs to bone up on her apologetics so as to steer clear of this nightmare.
You wrote:
“I would like to think you are right, but this movement has only gained strength as there is too much money to be made on the heresy.”
Heresy? What heresy exactly? And how can this be any more or less heretical than any other Protestant movement and who decides that?
“And too much power to be gained. You have no idea of the delusion these so called Christians are under... especially if you understand that their Joel 2 army is the deluded Anti Christ Army that God promises He will send in the End Times to persecute the saints...”
Oh, please. These chumps will never be the Anti-Christ. They’re going to be nothing overall.
“Palin needs to bone up on her apologetics so as to steer clear of this nightmare.”
I think you’re getting overly excited about this.
I wish you were right. However, since April when my own charismatic church fell under the delusion and was swept into the apostasy of Lakeland, you would not believe what is going on.
The leaders of this movement have a lot in common with the early Mormons.
They mistake Old Testament ideas of killing unbelievers, bolstered along by the lunatic ravings of their Old Testament styled “Prophets” who hold a magical sway over these people.
I personally think that these charismatics (and I am charismatic myself) have felt like such underdogs in the world, it is a theology of power for their whacked beliefs.
The Lakeland Revival that ended in ignominy this summer is proof of their delusion, though people like me spent weeks — taking off my paid assignments for many many weeks to do it — just to warn the people I love of this deception.
Jesus warns again and again of false prophets and false teachings that go against the Gospel.
It also warns that a one world religious government will be led by someone who does miracles and calls himself Jesus. This is the AntiChrist.
This governmental system will be a theocracy that the Bible says will “kill people in the name of God” because they believe the antiChrist actually is Jesus.
The Bible says that this is the Joel 2 Army. In Joel 2.
It is an army that God “promises He will send” just as He promises He will send “a strong delusion” upon those who no longer love the truth of His Word.
This army will be sent like locusts against the true church in purifying persecution in the last days — the end times when God says “He will have to shorten the time for the sake of the elect”.
I know it sounds conspiratorial. I don't want to fear monger and must guard against it in my own heart, even. But this is a broad network of ignorant charismatics and evangelicals who do not really understand that we are called to carry the Cross to the Lost and God's kingdom IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.
The only one who will “take dominion” of nations and governments in a physical sense is the anti Christ.
So this heresy, which has grown up under unsuspecting charismatic movements, is very dangerous.
As a tag line, the most interesting and phony defense that they always make is that they assume that anyone opposing them are cessatioinists who do not believe in the Pentecostal Holy Spirit gifts of charismatia.
They are being surprised by educated charismatics like myself who have no fear to oppose them head on. They are deceiving the Flock.
The final thing about this prophetic movement of the Joel 2 Army — the “Apostolic Prophetic Cult” is that it is rife with false prophecy.
My question is for them: if normal Christians cannot discern between true and false prophets now, HOW will we discern or distinguish THE False Prophet who the Bible says will herald the Anti Christ?
This is why it is imperative that this Apostolic Prophetic Cult is deconstructed, and debunked and their people de culted.
Notorious for endorsing the public execution by stoning of homosexuals and adulterers, the Christian Reconstructionist movement is far better known in secular America than Joel’s Army. That’s largely because Reconstructionists have made several serious forays into mainstream politics and received a fair amount of negative publicity as a result. Joel’s Army followers eschew the political system, believing the path to world domination lies in taking over churches, not election to public office.
Another key difference between the two branches of dominionism, which maintain a testy, arms-length relationship with one another, is Christian Reconstructionism’s buttoned-down image and heavy emphasis on Bible study, which contrasts sharply with Joel’s Army anti-intellectual distrust of biblical scholars and its unruly style.
Check this out - the author is trying to connect Todd Bentley with Gary North....
This is the number one difference between the "reconstructionist" movement and the "identity" movement. The former still believe in one objective G-d and religion for everyone in the world, while the latter are henotheists to whom "the Biblical G-d" is the G-d and creator only of "white chr*stian Israel," with other people being the creations of other "gxds" (or at least not descended from Adam). This is why the far, far, far right supports a "planet of peoples;" they reject the idea of a single human race under a single G-d. They are essentially pagans opposed to monotheism to whom each people has the right to create its own worldview and "gxd" in its own image.
This doesn't mean I'm apologizing for or defending the "reconstructionists," however. They are very anti-Israel and run the John Birch Society (I assume Ron Paul is one of these people). They are certainly very far removed from traditional "pessimistic" apocalyptic chr*stianity.
NOW--I would like to address the inevitable association of "theocracy" with anti-Semitism. While I personally consider "reconstructionism" to be anti-Semitic (or at least anti-Israel), this has nothing to do with their theocratic orientation. Judaism is in fact a Theocratic religion; every Orthodox Jew lives his/her life according to a very strict and complicated regimen of Halakhah, which is the practical implementation of Divine Law. In fact, one could say that "reactionary" chr*stians who are "theocratic" have taken a step towards Judaism/Noachism by rejecting the "spiritual messiah" in favor of a literal world-ruling messiah. True, they err in their chr*stianity and their belief that mankind is obligated to observe "chr*stian law" (is this not a contradiction in terms? Is not Judaism the statutory religion while chr*stianity is anti-statutory and salvational?), the obsession with Divine Law, far from being anti-Semitic, is much more Semitic than chr*stian. As I said, I regard "reconstructionists" as anti-Semites for their prejudice against Jews and opposition to Israel, but their "theocracism" has nothing to do with this.
How ironic that the Jews have become so disassociated with Theocracy that the first thing most people think on contemplating such a thing is "what will become of the poor Jews?" Why does not one consider that the "poor Jews" may be the people running it???
Doesn't sound like it's going to me...Not with scores of thousands of members...
These people plan on being here at the 2nd coming of Jesus...
I thank God that we Christians will be raptured out of here long before that...You Catholics might have to deal with this group head-on...
On the anti Semitism front, usually the base players of charismatia are not Anti Semitic. However, the false power stuctures that the theology of Dominionism provide them puts them a a very white, very elitist and very theocratic blend of Old Testament rules under a “Christian” banner.
It is the same sort of ideas of Mormons. You have to understand the power of their “Office of the Prophet”. These Dominionists of the Apostolic Prophetic cult believe that they ARE modern day Elijahs. Not pretty and not Christian and strangely anti Semitic. I say that because you cannot be a true Christian and be anti Semitic at the same time.
Todd Bently and his whole entourage and his zealots are mentally and spiritually deranged.
Of course anyone who dare point out the fallacy and blasphemy of his circus act is immediately burned at the stake.
Thank the Lord for this statement:
“In a 2001 position paper, Assemblies of God leaders wrote that they do not recognize modern-day apostles or prophets and worried that “such leaders prefer more authoritarian structures where their own word or decrees are unchallenged.”
And then there are the kooks on the other side that claim that all Christians are involved in this “reconstruction” - *whisper* some don’t even know it.
Such as this kooky quote:
“...Many on the Christian Right are unaware that they hold Reconstructionist ideas. “
*AND*
“... Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of “Biblical Law.” Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, ... Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.
Reconstructionism has expanded from the works of a small group of scholars to inform a wide swath of conservative Christian thought and action.”
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html
Lies. And now we have Todd “The Psychotic Prophet” to
sell more lies.
Sorry but real disciples of Christ do not wish to create a theocracy much less a theocracy based on the
Old Covenant Laws.
Sanity From http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain10.htm
“The bible says no such thing, it says the opposite. And it becomes a dangerous precedent when a few control the many, church or not! Jesus said the field is the world. The wheat and tares grow up together. And we had better be able to distinguish the difference in our day. This concept of unity was tried by the Catholic Church to integrate religion with the state and politics. And it became the downfall of a Church that was kept pure by persecution. We may yet see the “holy wars” like the early Holy Roman Empire revived to try and produce what only Christ can as the Prince of Peace.”
Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54; RJR_fan; TomSmedley
Tom Smedley hasn't posted for well over a year. I suspect he's gone.
The Assemblies of God got themselves in very hot water because Stephen Strader, the pastor who hosted Todd Bentley’s “revival” was Assemblies of God.
People cried out to the AOG early this summer to condemn what the AOG had condemned for fifty years of this false movement, They did a lukewarm response.
So did Jack Hayford, head of the Foursquare Church. This is doing the thing in the book of Revelation where a church is condemned for “tolerating” the false prophecies and false teaching of Jezebel. it is not an obscure sin. Hayford and the AOG needed to stand by the Bible and condemn Lakeland at the time.
Now that Lakeland exploded in sin, they have egg on their faces. Not to mention the unbelief now sown in the scattered sheep of the false revival there. Strader should have been reprimanded immediately.
P.S. This is also the reason some are alarmed at any NAR/Dominionist ideas of Sarah Palin’s AOG pastor. His “tolerated” associations. To tolerate means to have passive agreement and is NOT pleasing to the Lord where blasphemy and heresy is being hawked.
“Be ye either hot or cold, but be ye lukewarm, and I will spew you out of my mouth...” (Funny I learned that scripture under Jack Hayford...)
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