Posted on 08/26/2008 10:37:18 AM PDT by NYer
Wow! This is a brilliantly scathing response to Nancy Pelosi and her comments on Meet The Press Sunday concerning abortion. Here's the amazing statement in full.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 26, 2008Wow! Wow! Wow!
STATEMENT OF HIS EMINENCE, EDWARD CARDINAL EGAN CONCERNING REMARKS MADE BY THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Like many other citizens of this nation, I was shocked to learn that the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America would make the kind of statements that were made to Mr. Tom Brokaw of NBC-TV on Sunday, August 24, 2008. What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age.
We are blessed in the 21st century with crystal-clear photographs and action films of the living realities within their pregnant mothers. No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb. In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons. They are not parts of their mothers, and what they are depends not at all upon the opinions of theologians of any faith. Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.
Edward Cardinal Egan
Archbishop of New York
August 26, 2008
We are actually stating the same thing, but you believe one way and I believe the other.
Remember this
>>You see it differently and until some action is taken, we really don’t know the answer.<<
There is no question that the actions of these politicians are gravely evil. Assuming the other attributes of mortal sin, these politicians are mired in it.
“There have been cases in the past where opposition to the teachings of the Church and active dissension with the Church hierarchy has led to excommunication.”
That's true. With sufficient process, these politicians could eventually be excommunicated.
But I'm not sure that they incur excommunication latae sententiae by the mere fact of their opinion on abortion.
sitetest
“...but you believe one way and I believe the other.”
Actually, I don't believe one way or the other.
It is an unanswered question. Being unanswered, I hold neither position.
And I think that it's appropriate that Catholics should be cautious in advancing the view that these folks are excommunicated latae sententiae. It's been stated as uncontroverted fact on this thread and others. It shouldn't be.
If anyone wishes to say, “My OPINION is that they are excommunicated latae sententiae,” that is within his competence. But it is not within the competence of any lay Catholic to state it as fact. Not without the clear guidance of the competent ecclesial authorities.
sitetest
I believe that I am right in the way that I read those documents. Therefore until the ruling comes down that says otherwise, I will go with Mother Angelica’s way. She slammed Altar Girls until proven wrong by the Vatican. Then took her place in support of that ruling.
“I believe that I am right...”
The fact that you say it in that way shows that that is your opinion. You should say as much when you make the claim.
There are posters here wondering what is the actual position of the Catholic Church. If folks don't identify their opinion as just that, and assert it as the formal position of the Church, then that's misleading.
sitetest
Like I said, I’ll handle it like Mother Angelica. If you would like to follow me and put your opinion of the whole situation, please feel free.
The documents speak for themselves.
“The documents speak for themselves.”
The documents do speak for themselves, but you haven't shown at all that they say what YOU say they say. In fact, strictly speaking about Canon 1398, it would seem that it does NOT apply to pro-abort politicians.
If you want to assert your position as objective fact, you should at least make some effort to support it with a logical argument on behalf of the assertion.
sitetest
Breaking: Pelosi's home archdiocese republishes USCCB statement
I did. I posted the documents.
This letter from her priest is great!
And btw that is
TITLE III.
THE SUBJECT LIABLE TO PENAL SANCTIONS (Cann. 1321 - 1330)
That was linked.
You posted some excerpts from Canon Law, but frankly, they don't make your case. Those who procure abortions are excommunicated latae sententiae. Their direct conspirators also incur it.
But you haven't made the case at all that pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians are the direct conspirators of individual women procuring individual abortions.
And you haven't made a case that these folks are excommunicated latae sententiae on other grounds.
Just asserting your position isn't the same thing as making the argument.
sitetest
wow! Is this for real?
Well, my FRiend, you are more than welcome to follow each of my posts with that disclaimer.
G’Night!
I'm not going to follow you around to attach disclaimers to your posts.
I'm not responsible for the falsehoods posted by others.
sitetest
And I’m not responsible for making you understand the link I put in, my FRiend.
That’s just something that you will have to read and comprehend yourself. Think what I’m saying is false? Fine, that’s your right.
Until the Vatican says I’m wrong, not you, you are actually accusing me of “bearing false witness” Not kosher, but you have to reconcile that on your soul. I don’t.
What is false is to represent your opinion as the authentic teaching of the Church.
sitetest
And that my FRiend is your opinion.
You have that right.
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