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To: Gamecock
But still an Arminian who believed God is sitting in Heaven wringing His hands hoping that some will choose Christ, but not daring to intervene.

According to the Calvinists, God isn't wringing His hands over anything. It's all a done deal, and a large part of humanity will eventually join that great fry cook down below. There is no choice, they were born for that fate. Or isn't that so?

29 posted on 08/21/2008 4:06:35 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones; Gamecock
Your entire charge seems predicated on the notion we deserve otherwise. Do you honestly affirm that you or I deserve anything good from the hand of God. Oh, what a merciful and faithful Father He is, that we are not utterly consumed in His just wrath!

Yes, it is settled in God's mind. But what is that to us, seeing that we cannot know His hidden will? Is it not an encouragement to the missionary, moreover, that He has his elect out there, that fields are white for harvest, and that what lies ahead has been planned from eternity? Seems like a cause for optimism, not pessimism.

32 posted on 08/21/2008 4:20:28 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: xJones
According to the Calvinists, God isn't wringing His hands over anything. It's all a done deal, and a large part of humanity will eventually join that great fry cook down below. There is no choice, they were born for that fate. Or isn't that so?

Yup, that's Calvinism for you.

34 posted on 08/21/2008 4:36:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: xJones

While the descriptions Gamecock & Lexinom gave are dealing with the comfort and confidence that we can have in an all-wise, all knowing, transcendent God of Heaven and Earth, you seem to argue “free will” is kinder.

Please notice, if the incorrect statement “God has done all He can, now it is up to us.” is true, it is a monstrous portrayal of God. Why doesn’t He write in letters 10,000 feet high across the sky, “Wake up people!” Are you telling us He has done ALL that He possibly could? All? If He has, then He hasn’t worked very hard at convincing the stubborn, ignorant millions that love darkness.

Stand back for a minute and ask yourself if you really think the Bible is portraying a God that doesn’t control every minute detail of every situation? Is there a maverick molecule out there? That makes your softened heart even a greater miracle than you thought, if He made the change while you were at war with Him. And the same goes for those He is leaving to the hardness of their hearts. “You will say to me then, How can He still blame us, for who can resist His will?” Rom. 9.

Who are you to answer back to God, o man?


36 posted on 08/21/2008 4:55:02 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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