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Beginning Catholic: Understanding The Bible: A Catholic Guide To The Word of God [Ecumenical]
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Posted on 08/20/2008 11:08:01 AM PDT by Salvation

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1 posted on 08/20/2008 11:08:02 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 08/20/2008 11:09:39 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All
Beginning Catholic: The Catholic Church's Origin [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Church Authority In Scripture [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Tradition: Life in the Spirit [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Infallibility: Keeping the Faith [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Moral Conscience: Catholic Teaching for a Strong Faith [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: Catholic Morality: Life in Christ [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: When Was The Bible Written? [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Books of the Catholic Bible: The Complete Scriptures [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: A Strong Start in the Faith: The Catholic RCIA Stages [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The RCIA Inquiry Stage In the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: Accept No Substitutes: Catholic Orthodoxy [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Basic Tenets of Catholicism [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The Creed Of The People Of God: The Essentials/Catholic Belief [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Creeds: Apostles, Nicene, Athanasian [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: Understanding The Bible: A Catholic Guide To The Word of God [Ecumenical]

3 posted on 08/20/2008 11:11:58 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

bump


4 posted on 08/20/2008 11:13:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Righter-than-Rush

Did you read the Guidelines for Ecumenical posts?

Please do.


6 posted on 08/20/2008 11:14:55 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Righter-than-Rush

This is an “ecumenical” thread in the Religion Forum. Antagonism is not allowed.


7 posted on 08/20/2008 11:21:39 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation
God chose to reveal to us certain truths for the sake of our salvation. This message of salvation is the set of revealed truths which we call the "deposit of faith," or Divine Revelation. The Bible is primarily concerned with telling us these truths, which are without error. God himself made sure of that.

So, does this mean the Bible is only inerrant when teaching theological matters?

8 posted on 08/20/2008 11:25:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . ki lo' `al-halechem levaddo yichyeh ha'adam, ki `al-kol-motza' fi-HaShem yichyeh ha'adam.)
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To: Salvation
Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful and enkindle in them the fire of Thy love. Send forth Thy Spirit, and they shall be created, and Thou shalt renew the face of the Earth. Amen.

Let us pray.

O God, who didst instruct the hearts of the faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit, grant us by the same Spirit to have a right judgment in all things and ever rejoice in His consolation, through Christ our Lord. Amen.

9 posted on 08/20/2008 12:07:10 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

Thanks for that prayer.


10 posted on 08/20/2008 12:10:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: andysandmikesmom; Antoninus; ArrogantBustard; celticfreedom; CTK YKC; dan1123; DaveMSmith; ...
If you want to be on the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics list but are not on it already, or if you are on it but do not want to be, let me know either publicly or privately.

Previously posted:

On Salvation Outside the Catholic Church
The Great Heresies
SALVATION PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE
JUSTIFICATION IN CATHOLIC TEACHING
Hermits and Solitaries [Ecumenical]
THE PRIESTHOOD DEBATE
RIGHTEOUSNESS AND MERIT
A Well-Rounded Pope [Ecumenical]
A Monastery to Last 1,000 Years [Ecumenical]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
In the Crosshairs of the Canon [How We Got The Bible] [Ecumenical]
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Church Authority In Scripture [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Tradition: Life in the Spirit [Ecumenical]
Christian Atheism
Vatican plea to uncover Virgin Mary and show her breast-feeding baby Jesus
Why do Catholics have to confess their sins to a priest instead of praying straight to God? [Ecu]
Our Times: The Age of Martyrs
The Eucharist - the Lord's Sacrifice, Banquet and Presence
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Morality: Life in Christ [Ecumenical]
Chosen In Him: The Catholic Teaching on Predestination [Ecumenical]
The Sacraments [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: A Strong Start in the Faith: The Catholic RCIA Stages [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The RCIA Inquiry Stage In the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]
Catholic Art
Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics
Beginning Catholic: The Creed Of The People Of God: The Essentials/Catholic Belief [Ecumenical]
An open letter to Mr. Stephen A. Baldwin, Actor, and “born again” Christian.
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]

11 posted on 08/20/2008 12:28:57 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Forest Keeper

Remembering our recent discussion, here’s a thread that does a nice summary of what the Scripture is and is not.


12 posted on 08/20/2008 12:33:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
No, that phrase simply means that God revealed to us what He chose to reveal and that which He revealed is inerrant.

Sections more pertinent to your habitual concern would be

God also used human language and knowledge—with all of its limitations—to tell us his eternal truths.

[...]

if you don't understand what the sacred author was saying to people in his own cultural context, in terms as they were used at the time, you won't be able to clearly see what God is saying through him.


13 posted on 08/20/2008 12:37:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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I already know that you reject total inerrancy. I was inquiring about the article and its source.

I suppose I should have known better than to ask in the first place.

14 posted on 08/20/2008 1:47:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . ki lo' `al-halechem levaddo yichyeh ha'adam, ki `al-kol-motza' fi-HaShem yichyeh ha'adam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So, does this mean the Bible is only inerrant when teaching theological matters?

No. It means what it says....the theological matters are of primary significance.

I see where you're going with this though....the author might (I didn't read closely) want to carve out for himself a niche in which to say that non-theological facts could be in error. If so, he's being rather imprudent IMHO.

15 posted on 08/20/2008 2:02:47 PM PDT by Claud
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non-theological facts could be in error.

They are simply not a part of the revelation. They are a part of the limitations of human language and knowledge.

For example, a reporter might reveal an event he observed in a photograph. That is inerrant, thanks to the physics of the camera and print. However, if you magnify the print of the photograph, you will see dots of red green and blue color that were not a part of the event. They are just the imaging technology. One who would argue that the actual even had a multitude of red, green and blue dots involved because the photograph has then would not be arguing from the inerrancy of the photograph, but from his ignorance of the technology used in photography.

16 posted on 08/20/2008 3:11:45 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Salvation

Exciting topic.


17 posted on 08/20/2008 4:03:54 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow-RIP TONY, we love you.)
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To: Claud; Zionist Conspirator
the actual even had a multitude of red, green and blue dots involved because the photograph has then

the actual event had a multitude of red, green and blue dots involved because the photograph has them.

Typos that are legitimate words are the worst. There is a lesson in separating the transmission from the content in this as well.

18 posted on 08/20/2008 4:17:50 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Claud
non-theological facts could be in error.

They are simply not a part of the revelation.

And I suppose the fact that Popes have condemned this notion of yours (non-theological matter in the Bible is not inerrant) means nothing to you or to those who think like you. Oh well. We all know so much more nowadays than those primitives did.

Since "Biblical scholars" reject the notion that the Israelites were ever in Egypt to begin with I suppose the Book of Exodus is full of historical errors as well.

19 posted on 08/20/2008 5:14:54 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . ki lo' `al-halechem levaddo yichyeh ha'adam, ki `al-kol-motza' fi-HaShem yichyeh ha'adam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Popes have condemned this notion of yours

Got a quote? Precise language matters in these things.

20 posted on 08/20/2008 5:21:04 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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