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A good man is hard to find at church
The Baptist Standard ^ | August 14, 2008 | Lee Ann Marcel

Posted on 08/15/2008 11:50:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

DALLAS (ABP)—Men are disappearing from the church.

According to the Barna Research Group, there are 11 million to 13 million more American women who are born again than there are born-again men. While nine out of 10 senior pastors are men, a majority of regular church attenders are women.

Not only are women the majority of born-again American Christians, the Barna Group reports, “Women are the backbone of the Christian congregations in America.”

Perhaps indicative of women’s sense of spirituality, 41 percent of women said they have set specific spiritual goals they hope to accomplish in the coming year or two. Only 29 percent of men have identified such spiritual goals.

“Women, more often than not, take the lead role in the spiritual life of the family,” said George Barna, president of the research group. “Women typically emerge as the primary—or only—spiritual mentor and role model for family members. And that puts a tremendous burden on wives and mothers.”

Pam Durso, associate executive director of the Baptist History & Heritage Society, agrees women play a major role in families as spiritual mentors. “One aspect of that is that mothers generally are the ones who do the scheduling of events and the planning of activities, including church attendance and church-related programs.”

But that’s nothing new, Durso argues. Historically, women have dominated the membership of Baptist churches.

“Here is something to think about: Is 61 percent for female participation really a change for Baptists? Over the years, many Baptist churches have had a majority of female members,” Durso said.

At First Baptist Church of America, in Providence, R.I.—the premier Baptist congregation in the New World—59 percent of the members from 1730-1777 were women, Durso noted. From 1779-1799, that percentage dropped by only 1 percent to 58 percent.

“So, perhaps the question is not where have all the men gone, but is instead where have men been all these years?” Durso said.

David Murrow, author of Why Men Hate Going to Church, believes the way churches market themselves affects the demographics of their memberships. According to Murrow’s Church for Men website, a typical congregation draws an adult crowd that’s 61 percent female and 39 percent male.

“It’s widely believed, and rarely spoken of, that men feel church is something for women, children and grandparents,” Murrow said. “If a man becomes involved (in a church), then he is less manly.”

Murrow believes this trend began during the Industrial Revolution in the 1840s. Harsh economic conditions drove men to seek jobs in mines, mills and factories. While men worked, families were left behind for longer periods of time. The only people to be found in congregations were women, children and older men. Women began to add socials like teas, quilting circles and potluck dinners.

“The able-bodied man all but disappeared from the church,” Murrow said.

Murrow mentions on his website, www.churchformen.com, that many who have grown up in the church don’t recognize the “feminine spirituality.” But to the masculine mind, it’s obvious as the steps in front of the door.

“He may feel like Tom Sawyer in Aunt Polly’s parlor. He must watch his language, mind his manners and be extra polite. It’s hard for a man to be real in church because he must squeeze himself into this feminine religious mold,” Murrow writes on the site.

The tendency of targeting women has grown with the increased popularity of contemporary worship, Murrow added.

Hymns used to be tuned into the masculine heart by alluding to God as a mighty fortress, Murrow noted. Songs such as “Onward Christian Soldiers” spurred men in their faith.

“But now worship sounds like a Top-40 love song,” Murrow said. “They are wonderful and biblical, but it’s not the sentiment that will rally a bunch of men.”

Romantic music is a response to the market of single women, Murrow added. “They provide a Jesus image who wants to steal away with them … which doesn’t appeal to men.”

“Are we going to allow the market to drive the church, or the Bible to drive the church?”

Murrow suggests there’s nothing wrong with the gospel—just the way Christians present it. “We just need to change the culture container that we are delivering it in and should be willing to follow the example of churches who succeed in reaching men,” he said.

A leading example is Christ Church of the Valley in Phoenix, Ariz. The church markets to men through the events promoted, down to the colors and design of the building. The church even changes the range of the worship songs so men can feel comfortable singing.

“Everything we do when it comes to marketing is geared toward men in the 25-45 range … an underserved demographic in the church market today,” said Michael Gray, communications coordinator of Christ Church of the Valley.

The church offers activities like motorcycle and sport groups. One of the groups is called The Edge. There men can rappel down cliffs, jump out of airplanes and bungee jump off bridges. The purpose is to cause men to take a step of faith and stretch their comfort zones. The ministry is a spiritually challenging group, not just physically challenging. While the group focuses on adventurous activities, their ultimate goal is to lead people into an adventure with Jesus Christ.

“The Edge helps get men plugged into the church and hanging out with other men, outside a church setting,” Gray said. “It shows that we are men’s men, and we don’t just sit in shirt and tie on Sundays with our leather-bound Bible”

There is more than one way to present the gospel in a way that contemporary men will respond to, Murrow said. But it begins with the congregation understanding it must make an intentional effort to reach out to men.

“People have to realize it’s a problem. They need to wake up and look (at) how magnetic Jesus was to men. We have a 70-to-80 percent failure to boys. I don’t think that’s (God’s) will.”


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bornagain; church; dating; males; marriage; unchurched
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To: BRL
Well I can think of a lot of really cool things that are not lame that would attract ment, even if they are non scriptural....

I'd have to disagree with your marketing plan. Think Usherettes in Daisy Dukes and halter tops.

41 posted on 08/15/2008 6:23:41 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Alex Murphy
He must watch his language, mind his manners and be extra polite. It’s hard for a man to be real in church

So a "real man" is not polite or courteous according to this fellow.

Strange. We used to refer to such men as gentlemen and it was the highest class that a men could aspire to.

In fact there was a book written around the turn of the 20th century called, "The Religion of a Gentlemen" that pointed out that immersion in Christianity was the best way to reach such a high level of culture and civility.

But apparently that has gone by the wayside. "Real men" scratch their privates and spit on the floor while yelling obscenities. And any church that would stifle such true expressions of masculinity is "womanized"

Bunk.

The problem with men in the church is that too many of them are lazy. They will come to the cook outs but if there is a Sunday School class that needs a teacher or a fund raiser needs volunteers they have "to much to do".

About two years ago the leader of the men's group in my church came to this realization and decided that the men needed to spend less time having fun and contribute more to the body as a whole.

We now have men teaching Sunday school and classes in the church school. The men work in the food pantry. Men coach the Bible Quizzers. This has greatly expanded the amount of activities that are available to the young people and children of the church. Perhaps a quarter of the children they work with are not generation members. Their parents do not attend services at all. A lot of these kids come from fractured homes. Because of our mens group stepping up they now have strong Christian men as male role models.

And most importantly they have moved from observers to active members. It is now their church. There are still lots of fun and games but it is no longer the main focus.

42 posted on 08/15/2008 8:31:45 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: PAR35
“But now worship sounds like a Top-40 love song,” Murrow said.

We refer to them as "Jesus Is My Boyfriend" songs.

43 posted on 08/15/2008 8:36:09 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: RobRoy
"Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

I hate to be a wet blanket, and this is rather off-topic, but I've seen this verse misused enough that I have to speak up: the subject of the verse is church discipline. It comes at the end of the passage where Christ tells us to confront a sinning brother first on our own, then with witnesses, then in front of the whole congregation.

44 posted on 08/15/2008 9:23:26 PM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: RobRoy
Another name of a good book to read is the Open Church it tells of all the traditions that have crept in and how they don't relate to the 1st century Church.
45 posted on 08/15/2008 10:07:07 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom)
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To: normy

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 08/15/2008 10:09:39 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom)
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To: bboop

Go to a Catholic church, we don’t jump up and down.


47 posted on 08/16/2008 7:08:32 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stevio

I do, but I always go to the NO MUSIC mass early in the morning if at all possible.


48 posted on 08/16/2008 7:18:45 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Alex Murphy
It's the Gospel, stupid!

Galatians 3:28:

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

49 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:51 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected
It's the Gospel, stupid!

I wasn't referring to anyone as STUPID, just after that old bumper sticker "It's the economy, stupid".

50 posted on 08/16/2008 8:06:18 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: stevio

You may not be jumping up and down but unless you’re attending a TLM there’s still too much influence from the prottie hand-holding dinner services.


51 posted on 08/16/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: BRL

A lot of our men’s programs are attended by non members and some of them eventually come to Jesus.

Common first question:

What do you mean, “Our Bible Study class is going target shooting this weekend?”.

Another way of looking at this is Paul’s admonishment to preach where ever you go, and if need be, use words.


52 posted on 08/16/2008 1:47:49 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Alex Murphy
In reference to the title of this thread..

A good friend of mine, who was a Baptist pastor, once told me that, "if you hear a pastor refer to a person as a 'good man' at his funeral, your heart should sink. This is because that is how many pastors refer to the deceased if they are unsure of the person's salvation. This was to give some comfort to the family, without proclaiming one way or the other what was in the man's heart." Point being, never leave any question about your salvation by being a living testimony to The Gift offered by Christ and openly declare your acceptance of Salvation.
53 posted on 08/16/2008 1:55:56 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Alex Murphy

A minyon at Orthodox synagogue is formed by 10 or more men.


54 posted on 08/16/2008 9:56:42 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: RobRoy

You are absolutely correct. My first husband wouldn’t go to church and I’ve had a heck of a time convincing my three sons that they are supposed to be the heads of their homes. Haven’t succeeded yet, but my middle son is more open to the things of Christ than the other two. We have a lot of really good families in our church and the men are wonderful. Lots of babies, good children’s ministry. We’ve done some Edwin Cole material with the men as well. You do have to offer men some ministries to help them grow into their headship as they should. Not easy, but things are available to help churches do that.


55 posted on 08/17/2008 2:14:46 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: stevio

AMEN, STEVIO.


56 posted on 08/17/2008 2:16:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

That is exactly right. If my first husband had been a church goer, I’m sure my sons would be. Only one is, and he doesn’t come every week. Fathers have much more influence over their sons and church than women do.


57 posted on 08/17/2008 2:18:40 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: normy

I believe that in end times God WILL call out his remnant from the denominations. When panic comes to America, and it will, it’s not going to matter what church you went to. It WILL matter if you press into God and trust Him for the answers to what is going on around us. Only God will give us the peace we need to face tribulations.


58 posted on 08/17/2008 2:21:01 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: normy

Amen, Normy!


59 posted on 08/17/2008 2:22:06 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: normy

Amen, Normy!


60 posted on 08/17/2008 2:22:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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