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Atheists abandon attempt to ban baptisms (Americans should be aware such lawsuits occuring) [Open]
WND ^ | August 15, 2008

Posted on 08/15/2008 9:48:59 AM PDT by NYer

An atheism-promoting organization has withdrawn its lawsuit demanding that Christian baptisms of children be banned in Italy, after a U.S.-based legal team took on the defense of a bishop and the Roman Catholic Church there.

"This was a preposterous lawsuit, and we are pleased that it has been dropped," said Joseph Infranco, senior counsel for the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund.

However, he said, "Americans should be aware that such lawsuits may seem far-fetched, but they really are happening … foreign legal decisions are increasingly cited in American courts."

The ADF battled back when the Italian Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics filed a lawsuit seeking an end to all baptisms of children in Italy. The organization alleged the practice encroached on its religious freedom and violated Italian Constitutional Court precedents regarding free will and personal privacy in religious decisions.

The organization alleged the law does not allow parents to enroll their children in certain groups such as trade unions, therefore the law also "does not allow, as well, that the parents may decide their children become members of a religious association."

The Alliance Defense Fund reported the plaintiff in the case was demanding that his name be erased from a baptism registry in what was described as a type of "debaptism."

But the petition was withdrawn just before a court hearing was to take place.

Gianfranco Amato, an ADF-allied attorney, said the plaintiff became convinced that the nation's legal precedents would not support such demands.

"It's unthinkable to ask the government to force the church to abandon one of its sacraments to appease a radical, anti-religious agenda, yet that's what this activist group did,” said Amato.

"According to Italian law, the demand to remove a name from the register must be made by an individual with a personal interest, rather than by a private association such as UAAR,"

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; atheists; baptism; lawsuits; parentalauthority
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1 posted on 08/15/2008 9:49:00 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
"Americans should be aware that such lawsuits may seem far-fetched, but they really are happening … foreign legal decisions are increasingly cited in American courts."

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2 posted on 08/15/2008 9:50:06 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

I have just about had it with these radical, intolerant Atheists.


3 posted on 08/15/2008 9:51:51 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: NYer

They will be suing to prevent parents from taking their children to church next.


5 posted on 08/15/2008 10:10:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: NYer
It is easy to imagine American atheists claiming that Baptism or “forcing” children to attend summer bible school is child abuse, however our legal system still requires standing to sue and the atheist organizations would have trouble with standing.
6 posted on 08/15/2008 10:14:31 AM PDT by JimSEA (just another liberal-bashing fearmonger)
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To: ZULU

They are blind to truth and should be lifted up in prayer.

Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

I Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

Luke 23:34A
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”


7 posted on 08/15/2008 10:27:37 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: JimSEA
however our legal system still requires standing to sue and the atheist organizations would have trouble with standing.

Small hurdle to overcome. Just need another Michael Newdow
8 posted on 08/15/2008 10:57:01 AM PDT by ShihanRob
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To: ShihanRob

Especially in a state where a judge of the supreme court can call traditional marriage “irrational and bigoted.”


9 posted on 08/15/2008 11:20:47 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: ShihanRob

Especially in a state where a judge of the supreme court can call traditional marriage “irrational and bigoted.”


10 posted on 08/15/2008 11:20:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: ShihanRob

Especially in a state where a judge of the supreme court can call traditional marriage “irrational and bigoted.”


11 posted on 08/15/2008 11:20:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: NYer

Unbelievable.


12 posted on 08/15/2008 11:35:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ShihanRob

Newdow would have to sue the custodial spouse as the church doing the baptism is not a public institution. Newdow would have to go some to prohibit a church from baptizing, though I imagine he would try and the Ninth Circuit would likely help him along.


13 posted on 08/15/2008 12:09:19 PM PDT by JimSEA (just another liberal-bashing fearmonger)
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To: NYer
The organization alleged the law does not allow parents to enroll their children in certain groups such as trade unions, therefore the law also "does not allow, as well, that the parents may decide their children become members of a religious association."

I imagine circumcision on the eighth day is next on the agenda.

14 posted on 08/15/2008 12:15:28 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nachamu, nachamu `ammi; yo'mar 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I imagine circumcision on the eighth day is next on the agenda.

I'd imagine it would be an easier one for them to argue against since circumcision would be "wounding" and "disfiguring" the child. Baptism causes no outward physical effects.

15 posted on 08/15/2008 2:00:22 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: NYer
Look at the cognitive dissonance here!

It seems to me that these Atheists believe that there is some merit to Baptism. Otherwise, there would be no reason for them to be seeking legal action to prevent them from taking place.

If it's a meaningless ritual, then whether or not the name is on the rolls doesn't matter.

16 posted on 08/15/2008 2:03:52 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic
I'd imagine it would be an easier one for them to argue against since circumcision would be "wounding" and "disfiguring" the child. Baptism causes no outward physical effects.

There's been a leftist anti-circumcision movement for a long time. Even referring to a cliterectomy as a "female circumcision" is intended to turn people against the practice.

Ironically, the Left used to give the Jews a pass because everything they did was interpreted as a symbolic act of defending "religious minorities" from the chr*stian majority. I don't think they get that pass anymore, and it's a their rituals were ever interpreted that way.

17 posted on 08/15/2008 2:15:23 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nachamu, nachamu `ammi; yo'mar 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: NYer; Judith Anne

Some Proddie was saying that it was abuse to expose a child to Jesus bleeding on the cross and I think it was Judith Anne who stated that it probably wouldn’t be too long before some people tried to stop it. I guess she wasn’t far off.


18 posted on 08/15/2008 2:28:02 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki; Dr. Eckleburg

Yes, I recall that discussion.

Dr. E’s point was that a child viewing a realistic crucifix, at age 3 or 4, was being abused.

I disagreed, and speculated that it wouldn’t be long before there was a lawsuit about it, unthinkable as that is.


19 posted on 08/15/2008 5:11:45 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Zionist Conspirator
There's been a leftist anti-circumcision movement for a long time.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me. Thank you for passing along the info.

20 posted on 08/15/2008 5:56:33 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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