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The Underpopulation Problem [Frightening and Open]
CWR ^ | August/September 2008 | Michael J. Miller

Posted on 08/06/2008 10:15:02 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Puddleglum

I don’t know about you, but my “cultural values” don’t include engaging in a breeding contest with third world peasants whose plan for economic survival and feeding their too-many children is to sneak into the US and do menial labor.


21 posted on 08/06/2008 12:13:50 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: KarlInOhio
There, I updated it for you.

You know it's coming and the justification will go something like this: "You aborted our peers, reducing the number of taxpayers; now we're euthanizing the social security beneficiaries".

Can't say I blame them.

22 posted on 08/06/2008 12:15:39 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Puddleglum
this is also the root of the thorny immigration issue lots of the West is facing. Fewer, “better” people - but with an underclass to do the dirty work. Eloi and Morlocks.

That's true but there is one big difference between the US and the rest of the world. Europe has brought in workers from the Middle East, the majority of whom are Muslim. Our immigrants are Christians! You have seen the Muslim riots in Paris and London ... contrast that with Mexicans who believe in Jesus Christ.

23 posted on 08/06/2008 12:24:32 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
I quote African leaders who denounce this kind of new imperialism. To understand how intrusive it is, imagine the outcry if the Chinese government funded a program to reduce the American birthrate and paid workers to go door-to-door with contraceptives, insisting that American women use them. Yet that is what we, the United States, do around the world

Then we wonder why the world does not love us anymore.

24 posted on 08/06/2008 12:49:53 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: snarks_when_bored

No. The weight is already there. In the dirt. In the grain. In the water. The weight on the earth would be the same even if the population doubled instantly.


25 posted on 08/06/2008 1:00:25 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium

Joking I was.


26 posted on 08/06/2008 1:25:20 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: NYer

Absolutely. If you aren’t independently wealthy they will start euthanizing the unproductive elderly.


27 posted on 08/06/2008 4:43:52 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Age of Reason; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
Age of Reason says:
And yet no mention of the total savings to society from not having to pay to take care of children for two-decades or more, taxes to pay for more schools and more teachers, followed by the cost to parents and society of college and grad schools.
So you claim the next generation is a net expense to the current one?
28 posted on 08/06/2008 7:09:52 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: kabar; NYer
Since 1970 our population increased by 100 million, ...
And our standard of living has done what since then?
29 posted on 08/06/2008 7:12:14 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: neb52
Most immigrants are on welfare to start ...
An interesting claim. NONE of my immigrant relatives have EVER been on welfare. What data supports your claim?
30 posted on 08/06/2008 7:13:17 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; NYer
That's called a pyramid scheme, and is unsustainable.
Nonsense. A growing population and groing productivity (both have defined the United States for the last 30 years and more) are far from a "pyramid scheme". Shame on you for claiming that having children is the same as a criminal fraud.
31 posted on 08/06/2008 7:17:34 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses

Whose standard of living? The gap between rich and poor has never been wider. We are taking on the profile of a third world country.


32 posted on 08/06/2008 7:21:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
The gap between rich and poor has never been wider.

I always get suspicious when people use Democratic Party talking points on FR.

33 posted on 08/06/2008 7:29:28 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: narses
An interesting claim. NONE of my immigrant relatives have EVER been on welfare. What data supports your claim?

Immigrants in the United States, 2007: A profile of America's Foreign-Born Population

The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 33 percent, compared to 19 percent for native households.

The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 17 percent, nearly 50 percent higher than the rate for natives and their children.

34 percent of immigrants lack health insurance, compared to 13 percent of natives. Immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for 71 percent of the increase in the uninsured since 1989.

Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts by Robert E. Rector

The current influx of poorly educated immigrants is the result of two factors: first, a legal immigration system that favors kinship ties over skills and education; and second, a permissive attitude toward illegal immigration that has led to lax border enforcement and non-enforcement of the laws that prohibit the employment of illegal immigrants. In recent years, these factors have produced an inflow of some ten and a half million immigrants who lack a high school education. In terms of increased poverty and expanded government expenditure, this importation of poorly educated immigrants has had roughly the same effect as the addition of ten and a half million native-born high school drop-outs.

Some 38 percent of immigrant children live in families headed by persons who lack a high school edu­cation; Minor children of first-generation immigrants comprise 26 percent of poor children in the U.S.; and One out of six poor children in the U.S. is the offspring of first-generation immigrant parents who lack a high school diploma.

First-generation Hispanic immigrants and their families now comprise 9 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all poor persons in the U.S.; and Children in Hispanic immigrant families now comprise 11.7 percent of all children in the U.S. but 22 percent of all poor children in the U.S.

34 posted on 08/06/2008 7:30:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: denydenydeny

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Immigration, legal and illegal, is one of the main reasons for this diparity. The immigrants are depressing wages at the lower end of the scale and they are largely undeducated. The Hispanic out of wedlock birth rate is 50% and the high school drop out rate is about the same. This is the social pathology for failure in this society.


35 posted on 08/06/2008 7:34:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 33 percent, ...
So the VAST majority do NOT use welfare. That makes your claim that "Most immigrants are on welfare ..." an obvious lie. Vary sad.
36 posted on 08/06/2008 7:45:29 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: kabar
The gap between rich and poor has never been wider.
What data backs up that claim?
We are taking on the profile of a third world country.
Really? How so?
37 posted on 08/06/2008 7:47:00 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Read "America Alone" by Mark Steyn.

L

38 posted on 08/06/2008 7:47:53 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: denydenydeny

See my posts above. Hatred seems to blind some folks.


39 posted on 08/06/2008 7:47:55 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Lurker
Thanks - will do.


40 posted on 08/06/2008 7:49:37 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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