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Mr. Yancey continues...The evangelical tradition emphasizes the Atonement and Christ's life within us. We urge children to "accept Jesus into your heart," an image both comforting and confusing to a child. More pietistic strains speak of "the exchanged life" in which Christ lives both in and through the believer. Yet far more often—164 times in Paul's letters, according to one author—the New Testament uses the image of us being "in Christ." At a time when theories of the Atonement seem incomprehensible to moderns and when the Christian subculture easily shrinks into a defensive posture, we could learn from the Christ-centered view of creation once expounded by an obscure theologian from the High Middle Ages.

When Mary gave birth to a baby in Bethlehem, she participated in an act of divine creation that continues to this day. Paul's phrase "in Christ" hints at a reality made vivid in his metaphor of the body of Christ: the church extends the Incarnation through time...

Duns Scotus called his approach "the Doctrine of the Absolute Primacy of Christ in the Universe." Those who root their identity in Christ have a holy mission to reclaim territory that has been spoiled. The Christian ministers to the poor and suffering not out of humanistic motives, but because they too reflect the image of God; insists on justice because God insists on it; and honors nature because it stands as God's work of art, the background setting for Incarnation....

Among Jesus' final words, in Revelation, are these: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." John Duns Scotus must be smiling.

1 posted on 08/06/2008 8:58:59 AM PDT by koinonia
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To: koinonia

More of the banal Paul trumps Gospels nonsense.


2 posted on 08/06/2008 9:01:58 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: koinonia

***We urge children to “accept Jesus into your heart,***

I work hard to purge that image from my kids, who hear it in Sundays School, Youth Group, etc....


3 posted on 08/06/2008 9:02:48 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: koinonia
In essence, the debate circled around the question, "Would Christmas have occurred if humanity had not sinned?"

I wonder if the Medieval sources actually mentioned Christmas specifically ... or if this article's author doesn't believe or wish to acknowledge that the Son of God was incarnate nine months (give or take) before Christmas.

4 posted on 08/06/2008 9:19:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: dangus; OpusatFR; DallasMike; wequalswinner; ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480; GrannyML; Alex Murphy; ...

Discussion on the Absolute Primacy of Christ... Ping.


6 posted on 08/06/2008 9:31:03 AM PDT by koinonia ("Thou art bought with the blood of God... Be the companion of Christ." -St. Ephraim)
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I think they've grossly mischaracterized Aquinas' position. Yes, the Incarnation was a remedy for man's fallen state, but since mankind was certain to fall, the Incarnation was part of the initial plan for creation, not "plan B," as the characterization of Aquinas makes it seem. I'm not sure of all that Aquinas may have said on the matter, but quite sure the Easter matins exultet prayer must've been part of the liturgy by Aquinas' time ("O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam, which we have gained a redeemer"). Surely Aquinas wouldn't've regarded the mass as heretical?

Actually, looking this up, St. Thomas directly addressed the exultet. From the Catholic catechism :

But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ's inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon's envy had taken away."307 And St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature's being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, 'Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more'; and the Exsultet sings, 'O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!'"
From the original source:
Objection 3. Further, human nature has not been made more capable of grace by sin. But after sin it is capable of the grace of union, which is the greatest grace. Therefore, if man had not sinned, human nature would have been capable of this grace; nor would God have withheld from human nature any good it was capable of. Therefore, if man had not sinned, God would have become incarnate.

Reply to Objection 3. A double capability may be remarked in human nature: one, in respect of the order of natural power, and this is always fulfilled by God, Who apportions to each according to its natural capability; the other in respect to the order of the Divine power, which all creatures implicitly obey; and the capability we speak of pertains to this. But God does not fulfil all such capabilities, otherwise God could do only what He has done in creatures, and this is false, as stated above (I, 105, 6). But there is no reason why human nature should not have been raised to something greater after sin. For God allows evils to happen in order to bring a greater good therefrom; hence it is written (Romans 5:20): "Where sin abounded, grace did more abound." Hence, too, in the blessing of the Paschal candle, we say: "O happy fault, that merited such and so great a Redeemer!"


8 posted on 08/06/2008 10:08:54 AM PDT by dangus
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To: koinonia

Index bump


30 posted on 08/06/2008 12:35:16 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: koinonia

Yancy is a post-modern Evangelical which is essentially a subjectivist theology that denies one can make propositional statements (i.e. Negative theology).

When that happens atonement theories become irrelevant and subjective naval gazing become the norm for ethics.

Yancy is a Greek Christian dressed in Protestant clothing.


165 posted on 08/16/2008 10:51:36 AM PDT by the_conscience (Can you hear the chorus of howls?)
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To: koinonia

The Medeival discussion continues:

http://absoluteprimacyofchrist.org/

Praised be Jesus Christ!


171 posted on 08/04/2012 11:13:32 AM PDT by koinonia
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