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Protestant pastor apologizes to Catholics over minister’s role in female ‘ordinations’
CNA ^ | July 30, 2008

Posted on 07/30/2008 6:17:22 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 07/30/2008 6:17:22 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/30/2008 6:19:10 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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This story was on New England Cable News last week. The reporter said these women were to be “ordained” rather matter of factly, though the official Catholic church would not recognize the ceremony. No kidding. I was waiting for the reporter to tell viewers *who* exactly would be doing this ordaining. There was no mention of that, which I found puzzling.

They talked to women who already claimed to be priests. I thought it was unusual that both were in lay clothing.


3 posted on 07/30/2008 6:23:58 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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I fully understand and support the Catholic Church’s position on this issue. The concern I have is that they toss these women out, but don’t toss out the rich Dem politicians who publically support abortion.


4 posted on 07/30/2008 6:24:25 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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The concern I have is that they toss these women out, but don’t toss out the rich Dem politicians who publically support abortion.

The Catholic Church tosses no one out! Both the women and the politicos incur latae sentiae excommunication, by their own, willful actions. They are still welcome in the church but may not receive the Sacraments until they have repented for their sins.

5 posted on 07/30/2008 6:28:47 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Highlights of the Ordination via GoogleVideo
6 posted on 07/30/2008 6:29:24 AM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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Profiles of five women priests [From National Catholic Reporter]
7 posted on 07/30/2008 6:31:38 AM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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Both the women and the politicos incur latae sentiae excommunication, by their own, willful actions.

If these women were to show up at a Catholic church, would they be allowed to participate in the Eucharist? If they would, then yes, I would say your assessment is correct.

But I would ask, if the Catholic Church tosses out no one, aren't they violating the instructions in scripture regarding church discipline?

8 posted on 07/30/2008 6:32:08 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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They talked to women who already claimed to be priests. I thought it was unusual that both were in lay clothing.

Keyword = claim. They are not priest, regardless of what they say or believe. It's unfortunate the media doesn't wise up to these matters and ignore their press releases. Women Priests — No Chance

9 posted on 07/30/2008 6:34:10 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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If these women were to show up at a Catholic church, would they be allowed to participate in the Eucharist?

No

But I would ask, if the Catholic Church tosses out no one, aren't they violating the instructions in scripture regarding church discipline?

You will find the answer on this thread St. Louis Archbishop Burke warns women of excommunication if ordination proceeds

10 posted on 07/30/2008 6:39:25 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Group claims to ordain women priests in unsanctioned ceremony.

The links I placed in the posts above are about previous ordinations. This link is from Boston.com (i.e., the Globe) about the more recent ordinations.

11 posted on 07/30/2008 6:43:24 AM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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“Highlights of the Ordination via GoogleVideo”

OMG!!! Did anyone else watch this video?!? HA HA HA!!!!! That is really hillarious! I LOVE the dance line at the end. And tie-dyed stoles?!? PRICELESS!

These yahoos couldn’t look any more idiotic if they tried. I mean, this LOOKS like a parody - a Saturday Night Live skit or something. And how about that great music? Gotta love it!


12 posted on 07/30/2008 6:44:06 AM PDT by DogwoodSouth
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Apology accepted. It is NOW time for reparations!....oops wrong group.


13 posted on 07/30/2008 7:23:07 AM PDT by Radl
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The Protestant minister in question here is obviously a rather clear thinking person.


14 posted on 07/30/2008 7:31:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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You would think if they wanted to be taken seriously as priests they would at least wear black only. I see that some of the “ordained” ones are wives and moms. I guess they don’t care much for the celibacy rule either.


15 posted on 07/30/2008 7:32:03 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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I'm a bit confused. . .isn't excommunication the removal of a person's membership and standing in the church?

If so, why would this be done to women who inappropriately ordain women as priests, but it is not done to politicians who publically support abortion?

If excommunication doesn't mean removal of said membership, what does it mean?

16 posted on 07/30/2008 7:36:58 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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“but may not receive the Sacraments until they have repented for their sins.”

But they do receive the Sacraments...most visibly Communion, and it is time a Bishop or two told them to stop. It is a scandal as evidenced by the questioning of non-catholics (and many Catholics) who are confused by the American Church’s reluctance to discipline the excommmunicants.

And by a bishop or two I mean the Bishops who have the unrepentant under their jurisdiction, such as DC, Boston, SF.

http://benedictinamerica.blogspot.com/2008/04/no-hard-line-on-giving-communion-to-pro.html


17 posted on 07/30/2008 7:50:47 AM PDT by kalee
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I'm a bit confused. . .isn't excommunication the removal of a person's membership and standing in the church?

That is a common misunderstanding.

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion -- exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness.
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There are different kinds of excommunication. For the women who proclaim themselves to be priests and the politicians who support abortion, the following applies:

Excommunication, especially a jure, is either latæ or ferendæ sententiæ. The first is incurred as soon as the offence is committed and by reason of the offence itself (eo ipso) without intervention of any ecclesiastical judge; it is recognized in the terms used by the legislator, for instance: "the culprit will be excommunicated at once, by the fact itself [statim, ipso facto]".

A good example of catholic politicians and their unrelenting support of abortion, is described here: Catholic Politicians and Excommunication

As for the women, this article provides fairly clear explanation: Roman Catholic Womenpriests declared excommunicated by Burke

18 posted on 07/30/2008 8:11:19 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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So, the way I am reading this, the individual being excommunicated might be denied access to the Eucharist, but they still can attend services, participate in other activities of the church, and fellowship with other members?


19 posted on 07/30/2008 8:16:48 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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So, the way I am reading this, the individual being excommunicated might be denied access to the Eucharist, but they still can attend services, participate in other activities of the church, and fellowship with other members?

That is absolutely correct. If anything, the bishop often attempts to meet privately with these miscreants to charitably discuss their misunderstandings, to repent through the Sacrament of Reconciliation and restore themselves to full communion with the Church.

20 posted on 07/30/2008 8:23:23 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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