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1 posted on 07/28/2008 11:01:25 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Migraine; raynearhood; PAR35; Marysecretary; Lee N. Field; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Ottofire; ...
A supplement to the recent thread Are Reformed “Evangelical” or “Evangelicals” and the sidebar on Regeneration/Being Born Again.
2 posted on 07/28/2008 11:10:12 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

Good study of the subject.


3 posted on 07/29/2008 1:27:59 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Gamecock

bookmark


5 posted on 07/29/2008 2:25:20 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Gamecock

Thank you, Brother, for a very good read first thing this morning.
I love to read about Regeneration.
Amen, Hallelujah.

I thank God for Banner of Truth Trust. What a marvelous service they have done for the Body of Christ.

You probably know of, and love the Valley of Vision devotional link.....
http://www.banneroftruth.org/pages/dailydevotion_detail.php?898

Have a good day in the LORD.


6 posted on 07/29/2008 4:21:34 AM PDT by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD................)
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To: Gamecock

BTTT


7 posted on 07/29/2008 4:37:40 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: Gamecock

Jesus seems as much as any other rabbi in this.


21 posted on 07/29/2008 1:52:34 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Gamecock
You must be, kidding?

We’re all familiar with the phrase ‘You must be born again’ but know this, the Hebrew doesn’t say that, neither does the Greek (I’ve done my homework, you check it for yourself).

The correct translation of this sentence would be ‘you must be born from above’ which changes the nature of the conversation. Let’s have some fun and read this section like it’s a scene from one of Shakespeare’s plays.

Enter: Yeshua, a Jewish Rabbi

Enter: Nichodemus, a Pharisee with a Greek name? Nicho – Nike – Victory Demus - Demography – people, victory over the people.

John 3

1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Yeshua by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Yeshua answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Yeshua clarifies…

5 Yeshua answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Yeshua answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

***

Nicodemus enters and says: “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

Flattery you know.

Yeshua ignores his opening comment and states: “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Which confuses Nick who replies: “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” [no]

Yeshua clarifies: “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Born from above, Spirit and born of water, flesh. See: Genesis 1: 27 for spirit see your parents for flesh.

And now to my favorite line in this section!

“Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

Now that’s a Shakespearean level insult if I’ve ever seen one, flip that sentence and it becomes You don’t know these things, ergo you’re not a master of anything let alone Israel!

Now imagine an entire religion based on a misprint and you’ve got…

Evangelical Christianity

22 posted on 07/29/2008 2:22:12 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (What would John Lennon do?)
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