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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock

I am still trying to figure out how Joe’s mom had an unpublished diary that is published.


21 posted on 07/24/2008 5:29:08 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I loved that South Park episode.
22 posted on 07/24/2008 5:31:31 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: SENTINEL

God bless, and welcome to the loving family of Grace.


23 posted on 07/24/2008 5:47:23 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Stourme
Yes, I guess if by “their ranks” you mean mankind in general on this planet, since you are spreading to places where they are not on to you yet, then you are getting those numbers.

As far as here in the US, you are not even effective in your own backyard...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2886596

And I am sure with the information age that will soon spread as well...

24 posted on 07/24/2008 5:59:12 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: svcw
Through Joesph Smith all things are possible, didn't you know that...
25 posted on 07/24/2008 6:32:29 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: svcw

I am still trying to figure out how Joe’s mom had an unpublished diary that is published.
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Only a bigot would ask that....

/s


26 posted on 07/24/2008 6:43:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gamecock

You may accept the conclusion of this poster, or you can study it for yourself and make your own conclusion.

You do not want to be like me when I study about one of the posters here at FR. I already know what he is, and I only accept the information that backs it up. The rest of the information is bad.


27 posted on 07/24/2008 7:15:15 PM PDT by fproy2222 (Jesus is the Christ)
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To: SENTINEL

the “Humble Prophet” Joseph Smith.....

“Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go.” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)
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That’s amazing...

I knew Joseph Smith said that but I never thought of him really screaming the words out in a boastful fashion, mocking and challenging God like that...

From your words I get a picture of Pater Finch in the Network...

Except Peter Finch was mad as H about something real and tangible (in the Movie)

and Joseph Smith was an egomaniac will only thoughts of himself and his glory...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew&feature=related


28 posted on 07/24/2008 7:39:55 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
That is what makes this so easy. Their own works are our best resource.

Who needs an "anti" site, when the LDS sites themselves are so obliging...

29 posted on 07/24/2008 7:57:18 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: All
I would like to thank you one and all.

It is teachings like you put forth here that caused me and others to research and study about The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

A long time ago, I found there was a lot of facts removed from their original surroundings, and then spoken about to make them look like what they were not, so they could be used to make the conclusions that the writer wanted from before the study was made.

I even find that on occasion there are writers that agree with what I have found to be true, but use the same bad method to put forth the ideas.

That's why I like to study things to there most original writing, and not rely on the summaries and conclusions given by others.

Even mine should be checked out.

Ask questions, be open to the idea that you have not yet found the correct answer, keep questioning.

And ask Father for help.

30 posted on 07/24/2008 10:01:02 PM PDT by fproy2222 (Jesus is the Christ)
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To: Gamecock

Maybe so. Maybe some Baptists will see the light as well. People change their minds all the time - I hope they all find happiness in whatever they choose.


31 posted on 07/24/2008 10:06:16 PM PDT by POWG
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To: restornu

Glad to see you back.


32 posted on 07/24/2008 10:07:30 PM PDT by fproy2222 (Jesus is the Christ)
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To: ejonesie22

That is what makes this so easy. Their own works are our best resource.
Who needs an “anti” site, when the LDS sites themselves are so obliging...
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Yes they are rather “sweet” arent they ?????

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3,4

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:5-7

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:18-25

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Rom 3:9 ¶ What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:

Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:

Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans 3:3-18


33 posted on 07/24/2008 10:30:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Kinda spells it out clearly doesn’t it...


34 posted on 07/25/2008 6:32:11 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Kinda spells it out clearly doesn’t it...


35 posted on 07/25/2008 6:32:16 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

ejonesie22, what sect do you belong to?


36 posted on 07/25/2008 7:04:26 AM PDT by Stourme
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To: ejonesie22
God bless, and welcome to the loving family of Grace.

LOL! ....was that a joke?
37 posted on 07/25/2008 7:06:52 AM PDT by Stourme
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To: Stourme

Stourme, when are you going to furnish the links I requested in post #17?


38 posted on 07/25/2008 7:07:47 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: Stourme

I belong to the family of Christians from through out the world.

How about you?


39 posted on 07/25/2008 7:14:07 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Stourme

I belong to the family of Christians from through out the world.

How about you?


40 posted on 07/25/2008 7:14:23 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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