Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480
When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.
That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?”
...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.
“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”
...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”
(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...
When did I state anyone said such a thing?
That is very interesting.
We have scale, we have immigrants and strangeness, we have the notion that the Pope could at least have the appearance of being a player in international politics. All that would make me sit up and take notice.
incapable of
= = = =
Hmmmmmm . . .
Clearly more fantasized hogwash from the RC edifice.
If one REALLY BELIEVES THAT, it’s very telling.
For those from Rio Linda . . .
In terms of this seeming genetic difficulty some RC’s have about
DIFFERENT . . . . . . . . VS . . . . . . . . . SAME
Not enjoying nor caring to bother
is VERY DIFFERENT
from “incapable.”
It might be a stretch for some to wrap their understanding around such DIFFERENCES but perhaps with extra effort, some can make it.
What kind of a deal could we put together for similar fund raising with MD t-shirts? The dog was actually drawn for me (for $25) by a high school classmate of my daughter. It would be fun to do something, but I'm not going to eat the expense this time. I have MORE bumper stickers around here .....
Not per se in my construction on such things.
There is the Biblical exhortation to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling . . . But I think there needs to be some distinction between
LEGALLY SAVED
vs
SALVATION CONSUMING AND ENCOMPASSING EVERY CELL AND FIBER OF ONE’S BEING.
Legally saved, in my reality, takes place when one accepts Christ as Savior and His Blood as covering for our sins and sinfulness.
SALVATION as a SANCTIFICATION PROCESS is lifelong.
Bess him lil ol heart!
I had read something similiar here some time back. It was just the basic Communist manifesto. It’s working fairly well. Additionally, once “they” eliminated the Catholic Church all of the smaller Christian groups would be eliminated much more easily.
in a conversion of the heart to the truths of the Catholic Church that is necessary
Thanks for your kind reply.
I believe that it would be the above that Prottys would still have to disagree with on Biblical grounds.
There’s just far too much dogmatic stuff that we find wholesale heretical to the max.
Seems to me that lands us back, functionally, to essentially the same thing. Formal agreement and public initiation into the IN-GROUP is NOT that different from requiring at least mental/heart assent to the list of dogmatic particulars.
And, further, functionally, per my experience with probably the majority of RC’s I’ve known up close and personal . . .
They REALLY DID NOT BELIEVE a list of the particulars in their heart of hearts . . . and felt quite comfortable rebelling against such . . . whether it was birth control or even abortion or not thinking that much of the Pope or hierarchy or some such list of things . . .
YET, THEY WERE CONVINCED that
IF
they went through some minimal list of rituals, that they personally construed to be sufficient—then they were home safe.
Which, from my perspective, boiled down to . . . “IF I GO THROUGH THESE FEW SHALLOW MOTIONS, I’M HOME SAFE WITH GOD, THE CHURCH AND GRANDMA. And that’s enough, thank you very much. Now back to business and dog eat dog as usual.”
I never found that particularly spiritually impressive nor convincing.
I vigorously beg to differ.
The Roman kernal of truth is thoroughly marbled with all kinds of UNBiblical heresies, idolatries, blasphemies.
The Church Universal basics of Christ come in the flesh, crucified, Resurrected, seated at the right hand of The Father interceding, coming again . . .
THAT kernal of truth is not OWNED by the Roman edifice. Christ died that through HIM ALL might Know The Father.
Any organization remotely in the least degree standing in the way of that; contaminating that; polluting that; bastardizing that; hereticalizing that . . . will be severely disciplined sooner or later by God Almighty—particularly the individual leaders contributing toward such.
It won’t matter if the organization is Baptist, Pentecostal or RC. My sense is that God has about had more than His fill of organized religion distancing individuals from HIM in favor of their own power-mongering idiocies and self-serving aggrandizements.
Increasingly, wherever there is a humility based authentic DEMONSTRATION and propagation of THE BASIC GOSPEL—pure religion undefiled—GOD WILL BLESS, PROTECT, MULTIPLY.
Where there isn’t—there will be increasing hardships, disciplines and at some point, disintegration and door closings. It won’t matter the ‘Christian’ Brand name on the door or sign in the front yard.
OKay, I’ll cogitate on that one. the NYT of my fantasy world would love to portray guys like Neuhaus as self-pitying whiners, but maybe that’s just my world and not the real one.
I would add to that . . .
any group
having a form of Godliness
but
DENYING THE POWER THEREOF
will be just as vulnerable to strong disciplines from God . . . and door closings.
More brazenly flawed RC
UNBIBLICAL
extrapolations, inferences, assumpations, fantasies . . .
CHRIST HIMSELF SAID
NO MAN WOULD COME TO GOD UNLESS HOLY SPIRIT DREW THE INDIVIDUAL.
It's not surprising that yet again the RC perspective brazenly disagrees with Scripture. It is disappointing to see so persistently from a group of folks.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD. GOD ALONE IS WORTHY. GOD ALONE IS ABLE. THE KING IS COMING AGAIN. All giving glory to any substitute are in for some woodshed educational experiences, at best.
If one turns to Christ out of inspiration of Mary’s life of obedience to God, would He turn that soul away?
“IF I GO THROUGH THESE FEW SHALLOW MOTIONS, I’M HOME SAFE WITH GOD. I never found that particularly spiritually impressive nor convincing.”
That misinterpretation is where many Protestants go astray with their beliefs of what Catholics are and what the Catholic Church is. Many Protestants and especially Calvinists and some Evangelicals, are socialized to believe these myths about the Catholic Church. Indeed, many on here have been informed many times of improper beliefs on certain doctrine and the same spew is rolled out yet again. It gets right to the question of this thread, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?”
The SCRIPTURAL STANDARD was available all along. Certainly to most leaders who seriously wanted to do remotely the right thing.
If they did NOT want to remotely bother with "the right thing," then they were off on the wrong foot to begin with.
If they did sort of seek after God and doing the right thing but got sidetracked along the way by cultural standards, trends of the time
TRADITIONS OF MEN AND OF DEMONS
then they were guilty as charged REGARDLESS.
I believe there's some slight Biblical consideration for SOME minor sociological standards . . . perhaps hair length or some such could be construed that way . . . doing the culturally right thing to/for one's parents to a degree.
Regardless it all still comes back to the 2nd Commandment.
And before Almighty God, imho, NO amount of cultural rationalizations will avail during any era.
The TEN COMMANDMENTS were not written with a preface:
EXCEPT WHERE
CULTURAL TRENDS AND WINDS
DICTATE OTHERWISE."
That's not at all how God thinks of them.
That's not at all how God has been applying them and will apply them.
How can I get one those cool bumper-stickers?
Not necessarily at all.
. . . one factor . . . is the degree of apostasy and rot within.
Of course God is not about turning folks away who earnestly seek Him.
The hazard is in blindness to the slippery slope involved with all the UNBIBLICAL Mary caricature heresies, blasphemies, idolatries.
Your world and the real world may or may not be even remotely the same, but your take on the NYT is spot on.
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