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Is Anti-Catholicism Dead? (Ques. Proposed by NY Times)
NY Times City Room Blog ^ | 7/23/2008 | Sewell Chan

Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480

When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.

That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?

...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.

“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”

...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; anticatholicism; catholic; nytimes
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; ...

NAsbU Jeremiah 44:25 thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel,
as follows:
'As for you and your wives, you have spoken with your mouths
and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, "We will certainly perform our vows
that we have vowed, to burn sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pour out
drink offerings to her." Go ahead and confirm your vows, and certainly
perform your vows!'
Th L-rd G-d condemns the worship of the queen of heaven !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
341 posted on 07/27/2008 10:46:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: annalex

annalex, are you presuming again?

Forsooth, y’all.


342 posted on 07/27/2008 10:55:02 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: XeniaSt
The L-rd G-d condemns the worship of the queen of heaven !

The Lord God knows the difference between pagan goddesses of antiquity and Mary the Mother of God, even if you do not.

343 posted on 07/27/2008 11:00:00 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
When people add the title of "Queen of Heaven" to maid Miriam,
it is an insult to Miriam and and insult to the king of the universe
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

344 posted on 07/27/2008 11:03:39 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Quix
Thank you oh so very much for sharing your testimony and insights and thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

Even cherished spiritual growth seems to be agonizingly slow.

I suspect it is that way with most of us though I have witnessed the type you mention who go from worldly sinner to really trusting God in a heartbeat.

But God's timing for each and every individual one of us is perfect. If we need rest, He'll make sure we have it. If we need to be pruned, He'll see it done. If we need trials and tribulations to work patience in us, He'll let it be.

My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. - James 1:2-4

He is truly "Our Father Who art in heaven." He treats us as a father treats his beloved toddler. The father always loved the toddler, but the toddler learns to love and trust the father.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. - Romans 8:14-17

Tough love when we need it, gentle love when we need it.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. - Romans 8:28

To God be the glory!

345 posted on 07/27/2008 11:31:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements and especially for those glorious Scriptures, dear sister in Christ!

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace... - Romans 6:14

Amen!

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. - Romans 8:9-10

And again,

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

And again,

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:19-20

Sin has no dominion over us.

To God be the glory!

346 posted on 07/27/2008 11:42:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I put an extra E in there in your honor, Dr. E.

What you are doing is unwise. It is one thing to say, “Lord, help my unbelief”, quite another to beat your chest about it.


347 posted on 07/27/2008 12:16:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: XeniaSt; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD
Th L-rd G-d condemns the worship of the queen of heaven !

So?

348 posted on 07/27/2008 12:18:10 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
I put an extra E in there in your honor, Dr. E.

Blaming others for your own mistake is not the mark of a redeemed Christian.

What you are doing is unwise. It is one thing to say, "Lord, help my unbelief", quite another to beat your chest about it.

My "unbelief" in the foul, ficticious and antiScriptural "Marian dogma" has been given to me by the grace of God who prevents me from falling down to the stock of a tree and has redeemed me by the blood of Christ, once for all time for every one of my sins which mercifully do not include the blasphemy of believing Mary to be my intercessor or mediator when the word of God tells us "there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5)

Talk about "unwise."

"Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil." -- Proverbs 3:7

349 posted on 07/27/2008 12:29:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Sin has no dominion over us.

AMEN! Mercy triumphs over judgment.

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all...

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified...

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:10,14,18


350 posted on 07/27/2008 12:35:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Running On Empty
annalex, are you presuming again?

Doesn't look like presumption at all. It's clearly articulated condemnation to hell for all those who do not believe in Rome's "Marian dogma."

This condemnation is exactly what was asserted days ago and which various RC posters foolishly denied was made.

Thank God for the evidence found in the written word.

351 posted on 07/27/2008 12:41:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Running On Empty; Alex Murphy
presuming again?

I know you are joking, but given the kindergartener contingent here, let me iterate: Presumption of either salvation or damnation of any individual is a serious sin. It has never been my intention to foresee the future particular judgement of anyone.

This being said, the Church has in her bosom the ability to canonize a saint after his death and upon a rational examination of evidence of sanctity. She also has the ability and the charge of Christ to give means of salvation, both sacramental and catechetical, to all. It is in accordance with the mind of the Church that we, lay Catholic Christians have the duty to point out to our separated brothers in Christ the perils that inhere in voluntary and informed separation from Rome. There is hope for everyone, but for one whose heart is hardened by obstinacy in resisting the Church that hope is grossly diminished.

This is the prayer that should be on our lips often:

Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of Your mercy.

352 posted on 07/27/2008 12:46:56 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I prefer “judgement”; both spellings are legitimate.

Also see my post above.


353 posted on 07/27/2008 12:48:01 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: XeniaSt

When the very Church founded by Christ and guided to this day by the Holy Spirit calls Mary the Queen of Heaven it is all to the Glory of God.


354 posted on 07/27/2008 12:48:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: big'ol_freeper
There is not one person who has ever lived that the Catholic Church (or practicing Catholics) states is in hell or destined for hell.

That may well be the official line from the Vatican, however, since the days of Martin Luther, PLENTY of practicing Roman Catholics, as well as Curia speaking for the Roman Church itself, have stated certain Protestants (like Luther) or all Protestants (who believe in sola fide) as it says in Trent, are accursed (anathema)--which meant, in the language of the 16th Century, in Hell.

The idea that the Roman Church has (always) been as tolerant and open minded as it is today is laughable, to any fair-minded student of history.

355 posted on 07/27/2008 12:50:25 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Both spellings are legitimate.

judg·ment also judge·ment

Blaming others for your own mistake is not the mark of a redeemed Christian.

Annalex did not do that.

Making false accusations against others, whether out of ignorance or malice, is not the mark of a redeemed Christian.

...foul, ficticious [sic] and antiScriptural "Marian dogma"...

The Catholic Church has no such teaching. The "Marian dogmas" of the Catholic Church are beautiful and true. None of them is contradicted by Scripture.

356 posted on 07/27/2008 12:58:13 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski; XeniaSt
When the very Church founded by Christ and guided to this day by the Holy Spirit calls Mary the Queen of Heaven it is all to the Glory of God.

What pagan has ever thought otherwise?

Zeus was supposedly pleased by prayers and offerings to Hera.

All idolatry is the same -- a worship of the creature instead of the Creator.

357 posted on 07/27/2008 12:58:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What pagan has ever thought otherwise?

Who cares?

All idolatry is the same -- a worship of the creature instead of the Creator.

Again, who cares? The Catholic Church teaches veneration for Mary Mother of God, and prohibits worship of anyone but God. There is no idolatry in that.

358 posted on 07/27/2008 1:02:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex

I bet you know how many times the letter “c” occurs in the word “fictitious,” too.


359 posted on 07/27/2008 1:04:39 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex

I offer that prayer often and have over the course of many years.

There are many things posted today on this thread -—I only wish I had time to respond. My days are 24/7 in caregiving and moments of respite are few and I use them with care, because of my need for prayertime and for Scripture reading. Yet my mind and heart have been full of many thoughts about some things posted and I look forward to being able to make a few posts of my own before the day is past.

But—if God doesn’t will it, I’m OK with that.

In my 80+ years I have come to see that so much is in perception, in understanding and interpretation and that so much is lost where charity and love do not prevail, for as the beautiful Benedictine hymn says: “Where charity and love prevail, there God is always found”.

God is love and where there is love, (”TRUE love” ;-) —with apologies to Princess Bride)-—there is God, and then many good things can come from Him who loves us.


360 posted on 07/27/2008 1:05:40 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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