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Is Anti-Catholicism Dead? (Ques. Proposed by NY Times)
NY Times City Room Blog ^ | 7/23/2008 | Sewell Chan

Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480

When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.

That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?

...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.

“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”

...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; anticatholicism; catholic; nytimes
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To: Tax-chick

> Some people just have a need to be “against.”

AMEN. It’s like they’re teenagers who never grew up.

I’m reminded of a video I saw a while back: it was an aging “Diamond” David Lee Roth trying to do the rock ‘n roll thing at a night club. Spandex and all. It just didn’t work!


101 posted on 07/24/2008 6:43:10 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

My teenagers think David Lee Roth is hysterical.

Maybe there’s a specific place in God’s plan for the obsessively oppositional. However, it seems very stressful to me.


102 posted on 07/24/2008 6:47:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. Support your local reptile vet!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It is far more common, at least in FR fora, for Catholics to be mocked with the label of Universalism

That has certainly been my experience. Observing that God decides who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell seems to indicate, for some, that one is not a Christian.

Oh, well, I say. Whatever's fun for them ...

104 posted on 07/24/2008 6:59:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. Support your local reptile vet!)
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To: Always Right
What is funny about that is Catholics have no problem telling Protestants they are going to hell because they don't belong to 'The Church',

I challenge you to find one thread posted by a Catholic that staes that premise. You'll have a hard time even finding a single post.

105 posted on 07/24/2008 7:04:44 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer; AnAmericanMother

Part of Maria Monk’s lies are still whispered today.... that is until the scandal.

Cool vestments.


106 posted on 07/24/2008 7:14:44 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Not even close.


107 posted on 07/24/2008 7:16:42 AM PDT by Radl
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To: Petronski
Wait, let me check....

Yep. Definitely a he.

LOL...glad to hear it.

108 posted on 07/24/2008 7:18:39 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: big'ol_freeper

My first exposure to anti-Catholic bigotry came from a
Baptist. I remember it like it was yesterday, I was almost 6 and we were visiting relatives. My uncle told my father very angrily that all Catholics were going to hell. My father quietly disagreed with him and changed the subject but I was scandalized.

After we left I asked my father why he had just basically let it go and he said it wasn’t worth arguing with him but I remember going on about it for a while.

I do wonder why I was so upset because we weren’t Catholic. Maybe the Holy Spirit was already working in my life at that young age but it still took 40 yrs for me to listen.


109 posted on 07/24/2008 7:32:37 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: pgkdan
The Religious Right actually has quite a large number of Catholics in its ranks, ya know. But I get what you're saying. Sure, the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are hated by the leftist elites, too. But they're not feared by them in the same way Catholicism is. Most Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are merely considered - rightly or wrongly - as mere annoyances, often bordering on the status of court jester buffoons in their eyes. But Catholicism has "staying power" in addition to its perceived bona fides as a right-wing catalyst and perveyor of theistic extremism. ALso, it undeniably has more "gravitas." Therefore, it must be prioritized as the target to be "stopped" first.

Anti-Catholicism will never "just go away." But it's here with a vengeance for the forseeable future. Some of our own priests haven't exactly helped the cause, lately, but that was just the excuse - the dustgrain, if you will - around which a massive wave of politically correct Anti-Catholicism will coalesce. particularly if the Dems ride an Obama wave toward a congressional super-majority, but the potential scenarios aren't much better if McCain wins. Time to hunker down and ride out the storm!

110 posted on 07/24/2008 7:33:03 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: AnAmericanMother

A few of them think that some of the Catholic posters are paid apologists.


111 posted on 07/24/2008 7:33:34 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am double jointed and I don’t kick myself often enough.


112 posted on 07/24/2008 7:41:50 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki
Maybe the Holy Spirit was already working in my life at that young age but it still took 40 yrs for me to listen.

You and me both!

I remember instances of anti-Catholic prejudice in my childhood quite clearly. I was an Episcopalian at the time (albeit a very 'high' one) but that and many other things accumulated . . . it took me 40-some odd years too (and very odd years they were!)

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

113 posted on 07/24/2008 7:45:07 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: tiki

Hey! Where’s my check! Did it get lost in the mail?


114 posted on 07/24/2008 7:45:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think it may be one of those pyramid things. The #1 apologist gets all the money and then he counts all your posts and whether they really met the all the criteria, I’m sure we’ll all be getting them in the mail soon.


115 posted on 07/24/2008 7:55:14 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Oh wait, I forgot. You’ll have to put your real name, address and phone number on one of your posts so they can find you, LOL.


116 posted on 07/24/2008 7:56:21 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

Nah, they can send it through PayPal. No worries.


117 posted on 07/24/2008 8:11:01 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Always Right
Thank you. You just provided a fine example of the subject of this thread AND what seems to be a typical anti-Catholic move, namely to make a charge for which you adduce no evidence, and leave it to us to prove ourselves innocent.

Thank you for playing our game and for showing that Anti-Catholicism is alive and well on FR.

118 posted on 07/24/2008 8:21:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (I don't believe in organized religion. I'm a Catholic.)
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To: tiki
Great. Catholic Amway.


119 posted on 07/24/2008 8:26:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Radl

> Not even close.

DRAT! We will have to try harder!


120 posted on 07/24/2008 8:27:10 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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