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What makes a gigachurch go? (Moving Beyond the Megachurch)
Minneapolis Star/Tribune (aka The Red Star) ^ | 7/20/08 | Jeff Strickler - Staff Reporter

Posted on 07/20/2008 7:26:45 PM PDT by MplsSteve

The 23rd Psalm rolled off the Rev. Jason Strand's tongue with soothing familiarity, the way it had since he memorized it as a boy.

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside still waters ..."

But up on the 16-by-24-foot screens flanking Strand, the PowerPoint version displayed the updated words "quiet waters" instead of the "still waters" of Strand's memory.

Amy Anderson noticed the problem instantly. She began scribbling notes in her three-ring binder, then flipped to a new page to catch up with what Strand was doing next, watching every word.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: churchgrowth; gigachurch; megachurch; minnesota; purposedriven; seekersensitive
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The concept of the megachurch or gigachurch is not new to many of us - yet most of us do not attend one.

I found this article to be fascinating reading and just about lacking in any bias against evengelical churches. The reporter pretty much called it as he saw it.

Comments or opinions (about the article or mega-churches in general_ - anyone?

1 posted on 07/20/2008 7:26:45 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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2 posted on 07/20/2008 7:30:25 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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I’ve come to the conclusion that when a church begins being run as a business (which is what the reporter described behind the scenes), the church has gotten too big. Properly led, a church is mostly full of Christians who know the Lord and whose elders do not “manage” the worship “experience”. Right preaching of the Word and corporate singing praise to the Lord can and should be normal without submitting to a manager.

A pox on elders who try to manage God’s people.


3 posted on 07/20/2008 7:35:35 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: MplsSteve

Ping to read later


4 posted on 07/20/2008 7:43:12 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: MplsSteve
"Our goal is that everything has a purpose," Anderson said. "We want the worship service to be vertical, not horizontal. Meaning we want people's eyes on the platform."

That doesn't sound right.

Here's Eagle Brook's website

5 posted on 07/20/2008 7:44:50 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (You wouldn't want a postmodern to fix your car. Why would you trust him with your theology?)
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To: Lee N. Field

AmChurch is all about being entertained anyway.


6 posted on 07/20/2008 7:53:30 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: MplsSteve

Don’t even get me started on megachurches.


7 posted on 07/20/2008 7:53:39 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
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To: MplsSteve
One of the better large churches...

Gateway Church - Southlake, TX

8 posted on 07/20/2008 8:00:53 PM PDT by NewLand (NoBama except Alabama...)
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To: NewLand
oops...bad link, corrected:

Gateway Church - Southlake, TX

9 posted on 07/20/2008 8:02:43 PM PDT by NewLand (NoBama except Alabama...)
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To: Free Vulcan

Seriously, speak your mind!

That’s why I posted this - to get some input.

As I see it, there’s not a right or wrong answer.


10 posted on 07/20/2008 8:10:38 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

You should put an alert in the heading - Warning! Red Star article. You can’t trust they even got the religion right. Could be a mosque for all we know.


11 posted on 07/20/2008 8:22:41 PM PDT by DManA
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He discusses the fourth chapter of Hebrews, addressing the need for rest. But he quickly moves away from the text and talks about how hard it is to find time to rest in today's hectic society.

Sigh.

IOW, the congregation comes awfully close to hearing the Word of God at this church.

12 posted on 07/20/2008 10:59:08 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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Comments or opinions (about the article or mega-churches in general_ - anyone?

1)Pure preaching of the gospel, 2)right administration of the sacraments, and 3) exercise of church discipline.

How well does this church (or any church) meet these criteria?

13 posted on 07/21/2008 6:46:29 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (You wouldn't want a postmodern to fix your car. Why would you trust him with your theology?)
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“At last count, Eagle Brook was the 58th largest church in the country. The list is dominated by a handful of immense churches — Lakewood in Texas is No. 1 with more than 47,000 members.”

That’s not a church. That’s a town.


14 posted on 07/21/2008 6:55:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Lee N. Field

I loved this adage from a recent devotion

If we tone down Christ’s drastic demands, we aren’t following him. Many churches are no more than inoculation clinics. People go there to receive weekly vaccinations so they won’t come down with the real thing.


15 posted on 07/21/2008 6:59:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MplsSteve

Are there any reports on the percentage of contributions to mega-churches vs. smaller churches that make it back into the community? I would be interested to see if the mega-church is more efficient at managing expenses and therefore able to give more back to worthy causes.


16 posted on 07/21/2008 7:06:22 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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Are there any reports on the percentage of contributions to mega-churches vs. smaller churches that make it back into the community? I would be interested to see if the mega-church is more efficient at managing expenses and therefore able to give more back to worthy causes.

It's my understanding that individuals give larger percentages of their incomes in smaller churches. And no wonder.

As far as "management" -- a megachurch will obviously have much more complicated finances than a small one. A small church can easily send a check to a family in need -- a megachurch requires several layers of approval, all by individuals drawing salaries.

Megachurches are just like big government: Able to administrate huge programs, but with a massive amount of overhead.
17 posted on 07/21/2008 8:12:20 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (The golden rule can't operate through a government program, it can only work between people.)
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To: MplsSteve

Small groups.


18 posted on 07/21/2008 11:53:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: MplsSteve
Comments or opinions (about the article or mega-churches in general_ - anyone?

Just a general comment. Most of what I see on their (annoying -- turn off the music, please!) website fits a pattern.

Willow Creek wannabe in the cold white north, right down to the leadership conference and the Eagle Brook Association.

19 posted on 07/21/2008 6:30:30 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (You wouldn't want a postmodern to fix your car. Why would you trust him with your theology?)
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To: NewLand
One of the better large churches...

Then the Metroplex is in trouble...

We're all about people?

20 posted on 07/22/2008 9:14:48 AM PDT by pby
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