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To: Cronos
I don't really have questions about scripture -- scripture proofs that the very idea that any Indo-Europeans are Semites is false. Scripture also proves that God came to save ALL of us -- of Abrahamic descent or otherwise, sinners and saints, ALL. Even people of African descent, people from the deepest reaches of the Amazon jungle, from the Andaman islands etc. -- people who were in those places since before the Exodus and who have had no inter-breeding with outsiders. Even THOSE people are saved due to Christ's sacrifice. Any attempt to debase Christ's message by restricting it on the basis of PERCEIVED genetics, makes us as bad as Muslims who think that descendents of Mohammed as more "purer".

One strand of thought goes that the physical blessings promised by God to Abraham, and passed to his descendents via the birthright, are based upon bloodline whether or not the people of the bloodline know it. This isn't an indicator or barometer of how spiritually good or moral those descendents are. They could be the scum of the earth, but God made the promise and so he will keep that promise.

BUT, and it's a big but, this has nothing to do with salvation or redemption under Christ. As you pointed out, Christ died for all. Black, white, yellow or green. Gentiles become heirs to the "better" promise.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

These promises include the promise of eternal life through the new covenant, mediated by Christ. There is no partiality. Not just native born Israelites, physical Israelites, can take hold of this. And just being a native Israelite doesn't automatically give you the promise of eternal life. All have to come to the promise through Christ.

89 posted on 07/20/2008 6:03:43 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
One strand of thought goes that the physical blessings promised by God to Abraham, and passed to his descendents via the birthright, are based upon bloodline whether or not the people of the bloodline know it. This isn't an indicator or barometer of how spiritually good or moral those descendents are. They could be the scum of the earth, but God made the promise and so he will keep that promise.

hmmm.. then what happened from 500 BC until the 1600s? First you had Persians, Greeks and Romans as rulers of the Western world, while Ashoka ruled a huge empire in India, and Q'ing ruled all of China. Then, after the collapse of the western Roman Empire, you had the Parthians as the dominant Empire competing with the Byzantines, you had the Guptas, the HAn etc. as dominant forces.

And how about later, Islamic rulers were the superpowers in the Mediterranean and India while the Mongols were the hyperpower.

Until 1800, India and China accounted for 50% of the world's GDP. So, were these nations also descendents of Abrahams?

you also had the powerful Maya, Inca and Aztec Empires -- are they also Abrahamic?
94 posted on 07/20/2008 6:21:53 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: DouglasKC
BUT, and it's a big but, this has nothing to do with salvation or redemption under Christ. As you pointed out, Christ died for all. Black, white, yellow or green. Gentiles become heirs to the "better" promise.

These promises include the promise of eternal life through the new covenant, mediated by Christ. There is no partiality. Not just native born Israelites, physical Israelites, can take hold of this. And just being a native Israelite doesn't automatically give you the promise of eternal life. All have to come to the promise through Christ.


We agree :)
95 posted on 07/20/2008 6:22:39 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: DouglasKC
I don't like British-Israelism because of two reasons:
1. It debunks the power of Christ who came to save ALL and
2. the idea of an upper caste smacks of Hinduism and Islam
96 posted on 07/20/2008 6:24:39 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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