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To: ladyL; Diego1618
Hmm...I wonder who the House of Israel is?

Most likely they would be peoples of the Middle East -- part of the Assyrian Empire. So, the House of Israel would be across Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Armenia, Eastern Turkey, Azerbaijan and fringes of western Iran and northern SAudi Arabia -- all people who after enforced arabization but who earlier were Assyrians, ARameans, Hattians, etc.
36 posted on 07/18/2008 9:26:32 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos

You are probably very right but only partially correct. You see as was stated in another post Amos said that Israel would be sifted into ALL the nations. Now in Jer 31:31, I encourage you to look up it says:

(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Now this New Covenant is made with only TWO groups of people, the house of Israel and the house of Judah. We know that Judah is the Jews so who else today are NEW COVENANT BELIEVERS IN THE GOD OF ISRAEL? and when the New Jerusalem comes down with 12 gates and over each gate is the name of a Tribe, which gate are you going to enter through? don’t see no church gate :0 Come let us reason together :)


38 posted on 07/18/2008 10:58:40 AM PDT by ladyL (.)
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To: Cronos; ladyL; John Leland 1789; Quix
Most likely they would be peoples of the Middle East -- part of the Assyrian Empire. So, the House of Israel would be across Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Armenia, Eastern Turkey, Azerbaijan and fringes of western Iran and northern SAudi Arabia -- all people who after enforced arabization but who earlier were Assyrians, Arameans, Hattians, etc.

So.....when Amos makes his prophecy regarding the eventual location of the chosen folks of Israel.....you consider this so much balderdash?

[Amos 9:9] For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the House of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Not really -- all the genetic studies indicate that Celts are part of the Indo-European/Aryan stock, not Semitic.

It is your considered opinion that Indo-Europeans are not Semitic? Would they then be Hamitic.....or Japhetic?

before the Assyrian conquest, the Judeans would also include the tribe of Simeon which was absorbed by then.

Chapter and Verse....please?

And possibly part of Reuben (or Reuben was absorbed by Moab/Edom).

Rueben was not absorbed by Moab/Edom. Rueben, Gad and Manasseh were given the land east of the Jordan by Moses because it was good for raising and grazing cattle.....in which they were proficient. [Joshua 1:12-15][Joshua 13:8-13]

[Numbers 32:1-5] Now the children of Reuben and the children of Gad had a very great multitude of cattle: and when they saw the land of Jazer, and the land of Gilead, that, behold, the place was a place for cattle; The children of Gad and the children of Reuben came and spake unto Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and unto the princes of the congregation, saying, Ataroth, and Dibon, and Jazer, and Nimrah, and Heshbon, and Elealeh, and Shebam, and Nebo, and Beon, Even the country which the LORD smote before the congregation of Israel, is a land for cattle, and thy servants have cattle: Wherefore, said they, if we have found grace in thy sight, let this land be given unto thy servants for a possession, and bring us not over Jordan.

Sihon was the King of the Amorites who had taken this land from the King of the Moabites [Numbers 21:26]. The Israelites had camped in this land on their way to the promised land after this part of the land of Moab had transferred to the Amorites [Numbers 21:10-14]. Israel took this land from the Amorites because Sihon, King of the Amorites, would not agree to the Israelites passing through his land (Northern part of Moab) [Numbers 21:23-26].

Thus.....the land of Moab (Northern part) was settled by Rueben, Gad and the half tribe of Mannaseh [Numbers 21:29-31][Deuteronomy 2:32-37] Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us: Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok, nor unto the cities in the mountains, nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbade us.

So.....when you read of Israel living in Moab it's like people living in California (now part of the U.S.A.) even though it's been called California for 400 years while under Spanish and Mexican rule also. The Israelites never lived in the Country of Moab.....they lived in the land of Moab.... their's by conquest from the Amorites who had previously taken it from the Moabites.

41 posted on 07/18/2008 3:45:30 PM PDT by Diego1618
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