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To: Diamond
Natural selection cannot account for moral incumbency.

I believe it can. It is, however, a very long exposition and requires broad exposure to many disciplines of science, particularly wave mechanics to understand. Very simply put, however, every sapient living thing has evolved a "will to live". Morals, ethics, religions and cultures are simply methods for enforcing that will. Natural selection is a correct, but crude, term for anti-entropic serendipity.

Good day!

142 posted on 07/18/2008 10:54:26 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
...every sapient living thing has evolved a "will to live". Morals, ethics, religions and cultures are simply methods for enforcing that will.
“'Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger. ‘Tis not contrary to reason for me to chuse my total ruin, to prevent the least uneasiness of an Indian or person wholly unknown to me. ‘Tis as little contrary to reason to prefer even my own acknowledg'd lesser good to my greater, and have a more ardent affection for the former than for the latter.”
David Hume
(2.3.3.6)

[snip]

"Hume famously closes the section of the Treatise that argues against moral rationalism by observing that other systems of moral philosophy, proceeding in the ordinary way of reasoning, at some point make an unremarked transition from premises linked only by “is” to propositions linked by “ought” (expressing a new relation) — a deduction that seems to Hume “altogether inconceivable ” (T3.1.1.27). Attention to this transition would “subvert all the vulgar systems of morality, and let us see, that the distinction of vice and virtue is not founded merely on the relations of objects, nor is perceiv'd by reason” (ibid.)
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume-moral/

Cordially,

144 posted on 07/18/2008 11:21:09 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Soliton
...every sapient living thing has evolved a "will to live". Morals, ethics, religions and cultures are simply methods for enforcing that will.

Are Jesus and the martyrs immoral?

On the on hand we have martyrs and people who sacrifice their lives for the good of the unit (or whatever). On the other hand we have people who kill children born alive and think they have a duty to do so.

Are both of these defects in the "will to live"?

One another level, I see that you have a theory about what is. I see know theory about what "should be," unless you are suggesting that there is no "should be".

If we stipulate that every sapient thing has evolved a will to live, we haven't shown that that's a good thing. We've will only have agreed that it is a thing that is, like cancer or sunsets.

Is entropy a bad thing?

146 posted on 07/18/2008 7:14:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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