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To: Ransomed

But didn’t the Pope here say that the Orthodox aren’t apostolic? It’s not a very useful think to say if fostering ecumenism is high on your priority list.


59 posted on 07/11/2008 8:08:16 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss

To my understanding, he called them “Churches”, which means that they are apostolic with valid orders and Sacraments.

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63 posted on 07/11/2008 8:14:05 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Doug Loss
But didn’t the Pope here say that the Orthodox aren’t apostolic? It’s not a very useful think to say if fostering ecumenism is high on your priority list.

Not true. The relevant text from Dominus Iesus:

Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church, since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of the Primacy, which, according to the will of God, the Bishop of Rome objectively has and exercises over the entire Church.

On the other hand, the ecclesial communities which have not preserved the valid Episcopate and the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery, are not Churches in the proper sense; however, those who are baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church. Baptism in fact tends per se toward the full development of life in Christ, through the integral profession of faith, the Eucharist, and full communion in the Church.

The Orthodox are among those counted as true particular Churches possessing apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist.
64 posted on 07/11/2008 8:16:38 AM PDT by Petrosius
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