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Catholics and Obama
NCR ^ | July 13, 2008

Posted on 07/09/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 07/09/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
From the CUF blog:


Infanticide, the Next Frontier">Infanticide, the Next Frontier

By Leon Suprenant | July 7, 2008

Last week Deal Hudson wrote a disturbing piece on Barack Obama’s permissive stance toward infanticide. Click here for the entire text.

Senator Obama’s position on this issue, a position opposed even by the most liberal elements of his party, including California Senator Barbara Boxer, is to date the most extreme anti-life position espoused by a serious candidate for the presidency.

 While all murder is murder, the Catechism singles out infanticide as an “especially grave crime” (no. 2268).

This again brings me back to the question I posed here several months ago: What could possibly constitute a “proportionate reason” that would morally justify a vote for Senator Obama?

2 posted on 07/09/2008 6:25:56 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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I just want to DITTO your remarks. However, It seems that these days "social justice" (whatever that is) trumps abortion, infanticide, and gay marriage as the defining issue among many orthodox, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Catholics.
3 posted on 07/09/2008 6:36:54 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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Unbelievable Kmiec was dean of a Catholic university. Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.
Thou shall not kill.
Please vote in November - Thanks!


4 posted on 07/09/2008 6:37:40 AM PDT by mouse1
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“The stated aim of this legislation is to “end the abortion wars,” by allowing abortion-on-demand in all nine months of pregnancy for any reason and without any restrictions nationwide.’

That makes me feel ill.


5 posted on 07/09/2008 6:45:58 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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It’s almost impossible not to like him.

Stopped reading there.

6 posted on 07/09/2008 6:48:48 AM PDT by smokinleroy (How come gas prices spiked only AFTER the democrats won Congress?)
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It’s almost impossible not to like him.

Stopped reading there.

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Good for you! (of course that means that you didn't find out why the author, in a well-reasoned argument, thinks Obama is pretty much a dirt bag - but hey, look at the cool post you got to make.)

7 posted on 07/09/2008 6:54:59 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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“Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.”
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I dare say that most Obama supporters are religious people.


8 posted on 07/09/2008 6:56:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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We understand Barack Obama’s appeal. It’s almost impossible not to like him. Like his tireless supporter Oprah Winfrey, he has an air about him that exudes candor and sincerity and real concern. And those things aren’t insignificant

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I have to disagree with this entire paragraph.

That being said, I'm voting for McCain.

McCain's Voting Record

Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)

Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)

Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)

Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

9 posted on 07/09/2008 6:56:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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An Obama-Rezko primer: Who is Tony Rezko?

A: Antoin “Tony” Rezko is a millionaire Chicago businessman who has long helped young politicians raise money and make connections. Raised in Syria, he moved to Chicago to study engineering but wound up making money in real estate and fast food. He is now on trial in federal court on mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and attempted extortion charges.


10 posted on 07/09/2008 6:57:54 AM PDT by IrishMike (Obama stands for change. He wants to change the subject.)
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However, It seems that these days "social justice" (whatever that is) trumps abortion, infanticide, and gay marriage as the defining issue among many orthodox, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Catholics.

When a candidate for public office is wrong on abortion, he or she cannot be right on the other issues.
Fr. Frank Pavone
Director, Priests for Life
December 5th, 2007

It really is that simple. Evil loves to sow seeds of uncertainty through confusion. In my entire life, I have never seen so much coverage of an election ... ever! The masses watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the other msm, discussing and weighing a multitude of factors. The primary decision must be based on life because it effects this and future generations.

11 posted on 07/09/2008 7:45:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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We understand Barack Obama’s appeal.

Speak for yourself, whoever you are.

12 posted on 07/09/2008 7:59:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. You shed your skin, too!)
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He does disagree with the founding principals or principles of the country. He needs to equate himself with the events and the hows and whys of writing our Declaration of Independence and writing the Constitution.


13 posted on 07/09/2008 8:01:47 AM PDT by tob2 (Vote for McCain!)
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I couldn’t agree more!


14 posted on 07/09/2008 8:05:57 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: NYer; antonius

15 posted on 07/09/2008 8:43:16 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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It’s almost impossible not to like him.

I haven't found it at all difficult not to like Obama.

16 posted on 07/09/2008 9:27:43 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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I dare say that most Obama supporters are religious people.

Yep. . .but it isn't God they're worshipping.

17 posted on 07/09/2008 9:28:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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I think that was intended to be a rhetorical comment.


18 posted on 07/09/2008 9:30:06 AM PDT by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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This again brings me back to the question I posed here several months ago: What could possibly constitute a “proportionate reason” that would morally justify a vote for Senator Obama?

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Excellent question that every one claiming to be a Christian should ask themselves.

Some of us on FR have asked this in posts many times.

No one who calls himself or herself a good Christian and that includes Armstrong Williams and most certainly J C Watts could sanely, possibly aid and abet the murder of defenseless humans.

19 posted on 07/09/2008 9:33:41 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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I think the article, since it is directed at Catholics, misses a serious point.

Because of Obama's past votes on the sanctity of life issues, I find it to be a serious sin to vote or support The Obama for President.

20 posted on 07/09/2008 10:01:53 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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