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To: Judith Anne
Please do NOT ping me articles unless they show the criteria I asked for. That one was about one man in one place. Yes, it was over a period of years, but you missed the entire point. I asked for a widespread, international cover-up involving hundreds of cases. You are just giving what we have already said happens. I asked you for:

Can you please give facts, FR links and article links that show the widespread, worldwide, all the way up the corporate level that covers up and protects the abusers for years and years and years, knowing what they continue to do? And can you provide that same information for those church systems that only acted to remove the abusers from the presence of children because they were "found out" and the masses starting getting upset?

I already admit to individual pastors that are abusers. Please note what I am asking for: widespread, worldwide, all the way up the corporate level that covers up and protects the abusers for years and years and years, knowing what they continue to do? ... church systems

The link you gave does not fit any of those criteria, let alone all of them. You, not another poster made a claim that I called you to back up. Please do so and please do not list a ton of links all of once. Please list them individually so that we can see if it matches the above criteria before adding other.

There is a true saying among salespeople and others who are trying to "sell" their ideas.

If you can't dazzle them with your brillians, baffle them with your B.S.

To me, a long list of articles posted is the latter, especially when the credibility of previous ones have been questioned. So unless you provide credible articles that other Christian church systems has covered up to even a small percentage the RCC did with the abusers, then don't post any links. I will again repeat to you. It is NOT the fact that abuse occurs that is the major problem in the continual exposure of the RCC abusive priest issues, it is the disgusting cover-up by their superiors, to not remove them from the flock, to not protect the flock, but to just move the abusers to a fresh flock, over and over. THAT is the issues. THAT is why so many people not associated with the RCC, (and some that are RC) continue to speak out against this and will continue until a true widespread confession and repentance and change is seen. Which, from what I believe, is just not possible for the RCC. I pray that I am wrong about that not being possible though. With God, nothing is impossible.

55 posted on 07/04/2008 6:24:58 PM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie; Judith Anne
Thers are no widespread, worldwide, corporate level Protestant Churches, except maybe the tiny Anglican one. However,

Welcome to a collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children:

Source: www.reformation.com

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers

147 Baptist Ministers

251 "Bible" Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers


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59 posted on 07/04/2008 11:41:22 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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