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The case of the anti-Mormons
The Deseret News ^ | 6/30/2008 | Scott D. Pierce

Posted on 06/30/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Viewers of tonight's season premiere of "History Detectives" will learn that a book about the horrors of "Female Life Among the Mormons" is a work of fiction.

And the woman who owns the 1856 volume will be "disappointed" by that news.

"History Detectives" (8 p.m., Ch. 7) is a fascinating series in which historical objects are examined to determine if they're authentic. (Tonight's other two segments feature a World War II diary and a coin shot by Annie Oakley.)

In the case of the 1856 book about the horrors of Mormon polygamy, Marcie Waterman Murray of Stanfordville, N.Y., bought it at an auction and wants to know who wrote it. (There's no author listed.)

"I was very moved by this book. It really stayed with me a long time. I've become fascinated with it," Murray says.

What stayed with her is a barbaric account, written in the first person, of a young woman who married a Mormon elder in New York and traveled to Utah with Brigham Young. She suffered the "abominations" of polygamy and the "degradation it imposes on females."

That includes one account of a misbehaving wife who was stripped nude, tied to a tree and whipped until "blood ran to the ground."

Enter Tukufu Zuberi from "History Detectives."

"You don't know if this is a real book. You don't know if it's really from the 19th century. You don't know what it is," Zuberi said in a phone interview with the Deseret News. "But it is a document which definitely offers a skewed view toward marriage among Mormons.

"It puts (women) on the level of being slaves. You can take it as something that's either laughable, looking at it today, or something that really provided fuel for those who were anti-Mormon back in the 19th century."

Without detailing the entire episode, Zuberi quickly discovers that this is not a genuine history. Among other things, it purports to tell the story of Joseph Smith's death and gets it flat-out wrong.

And the show's conclusions are clear. "It seems that our book is little more than pulp fiction, and shot through with historical errors," Zuberi says in the show.

The segment briefly outlines 19th-century LDS history, including the effort to demonize Mormons.

"Someone could write it today in order to kind of speak badly of the Mormons," Zuberi said. "Someone could've written it then to speak badly of the Mormons. And that's our task — to find out."

He does his best to track down the author, including using "some high-tech stuff to determine who wrote the book and determine the authenticity or lack thereof."

"This one I was surprised by. The Mormon story has a lot of twists and turns."

In 21st-century Utah, "Female Life Among the Mormons" seems silly, even campy. But, obviously, the book's owner thought — perhaps hoped — it was genuine.

Upon learning that it's fiction, she gasps and says, "I'm actually a little disappointed. But I'm glad to know the truth."

But it certainly seemed as if she would've been more glad if Mormon women really had been tied to trees and whipped.


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The Utah territory was the first to let women vote. Women lost the right to vote when Utah became a state.
1 posted on 06/30/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl

Very interesting. My husband and I enjoy “History Detectives.”


2 posted on 06/30/2008 6:31:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. What's *your* ambient temperature?)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, I thought it interesting too. It kind of made me chuckle that the owner was rather disappointed. I guess she really wanted to believe that book.


3 posted on 06/30/2008 6:32:19 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Utah Girl

A small “inaccuracy” of your own?

In July 1890, the Territory of Wyoming, which allowed women to vote, was admitted as a state. Wyoming became the first state with women suffrage. By 1900, Utah, Colorado, and Idaho joined Wyoming in allowing women to vote.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/nineteentham.htm


4 posted on 06/30/2008 6:33:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (364 more shopping days until Graybeard58's b/day.)
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To: Utah Girl

Maybe she just wanted to believe that she had a real, old, true historical document, rather than a 19th-century fiction. Benefit of the doubt for the owner, unless there’s other evidence of animus toward Mormons.


5 posted on 06/30/2008 6:37:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. What's *your* ambient temperature?)
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To: Utah Girl

“But it certainly seemed as if she would’ve been more glad if Mormon women really had been tied to trees and whipped.”

I have no doubt she wished Mormon women really had been tied to trees and whipped. Having an excuse to justify one’s bigotry is very comforting. There are lots of threads in the Religion forum that contain examples of this kind of attitude.


6 posted on 06/30/2008 6:43:22 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Graybeard58

Sorry about that. I didn’t do any fact checking, just relied on my memory. Thanks for the correction! I just went and did some research. It looks like Wyoming granted women the right to vote a couple of months before Utah.


7 posted on 06/30/2008 7:09:04 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Grig

Bingo.


8 posted on 06/30/2008 7:09:19 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Utah Girl

Thanks for posting this.


9 posted on 06/30/2008 7:19:58 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Utah Girl

***In 21st-century Utah, “Female Life Among the Mormons” seems silly, even campy. But, obviously, the book’s owner thought — perhaps hoped — it was genuine.

Upon learning that it’s fiction, she gasps and says, “I’m actually a little disappointed. But I’m glad to know the truth.” ***

So, can we hold the Book of Mormon to the same standards of evidence?


10 posted on 06/30/2008 7:20:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Utah Girl
It looks like Wyoming granted women the right to vote a couple of months before Utah.

Well, not to keep beating a dead horse but 1890 to 1900 is 120 months.

11 posted on 06/30/2008 7:32:09 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (364 more shopping days until Graybeard58's b/day.)
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To: Utah Girl

Fake-No value. Real-wooohooo, E-Bay here I come!
I ‘spect she is disappointed.


12 posted on 06/30/2008 7:35:52 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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"History Detectives" (8 p.m., Ch. 7) is a fascinating series in which historical objects are examined to determine if they're authentic.

Too bad they don't take a look at the various artifacts that the Mormons claim support their views re: native americans.

13 posted on 06/30/2008 7:41:04 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Graybeard58
Poor old horse. :) Actually, I think semantics are tripping us up. Wyoming Territory (before it was a state) granted women the right to vote in 1869. Utah Territory (before it was a state) granted women the right to vote a couple of months later in 1870.

After Utah was a state, then women were granted the right to vote again in 1895. The privilege was taken away by the federal courts in 1887. Initially they felt that women would vote polygamy out, but when that didn't happen, the federal courts revoked their right to vote.

Wyoming as a state granted women the right to vote in 1890. Source: Women's suffrage in Utah

14 posted on 06/30/2008 8:02:01 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Which would be?


15 posted on 06/30/2008 8:02:38 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Utah Girl

I don’t have a list off hand.. do you deny that the LDS claims all sorts of Indian artifacts as supporting the BOM?


16 posted on 06/30/2008 8:07:15 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy

What artifacts? If you’re talking about the tours to Guatemala to see the ruins, not church sponsored. DNA? I’ve gone over that one on this forum many times. Has this been discussed in church? Yes, this year we’re studying the Book of Mormon. However, the Book of Mormon has so many other things in it to study (such as Christ visiting the Americas after his death) that the discussion about the heritage of the American Indians didn’t last long.

I’ve heard that some American Indians have a tradition of a Great White Father. It’s easy to make the link to Christ, but that isn’t church doctrine.

And there are various points of view within the LDS church as to where the Book of Mormon took place. I always assumed it was over North America and South America. For awhile, some thought it was Central America. Basically, I know the Book of Mormon is true because I have read it, prayed about it, and received an answer from the Spirit that it is true. Physical artifacts never converted anyone.


17 posted on 06/30/2008 8:19:51 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Here is a list of sites containing purported "evidence" for the BOM.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=artifacts+supporting+book+of+mormon

Besides the Central American claims, which some people claim is not LDS supported, they claim 'evidence' from North America as well.

18 posted on 07/01/2008 3:38:33 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Tax-chick

There are a lot of problems with that show and the historical methdologies and techniques that they employ during their cases. First off, none of the four “detectives” are real historians, with the possible exception of Gwnedolyn Wright, who’s an architectural historian. Elyse Luray and Wes Cowan are appraisers and auctioneers, while Tukufu Zuberi (real name—Antonio McDaniel) is a sociologist. I’ve seen them make mistakes and draw false conclusions based upon what they want their investigations to reveal. So, my advice to everyone who watches that show is to take it with a grain of salt.


19 posted on 07/01/2008 4:23:52 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
So, my advice to everyone who watches that show is to take it with a grain of salt.

Interpretation of historical evidence is always as much of an art as a science, and anyone's conclusions are subject to a challenge.

20 posted on 07/01/2008 4:30:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. What's *your* ambient temperature?)
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